How fooked is this poor kid?

He's only 17 with an AR, from IL, getting into it with rioters in WI.

Since he is 17, won't they also go after the lawful owner of the rifle he was in possession of?

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Originally posted by icom706:

I keep hearing in TV interviews of local people directly impacted by these riots in their Portland neighborhood that they oppose the violence, but support BLM. Do they really know anything about BLM?

I believe that many today have no clue about what blm (Burn Loot Murder) is REALLY about; only believing what they hear on the news about the 'peaceful protests' nonsense.

Also, I would speculate that many spout off about how they support blm just to make sure people don't think they are racist. Again, according to the mainline 'media,' to oppose or even question blm makes one a racist. To go even further, to NOT immediately and enthusiastically endorse and support blm equates to racism.

Fox News had as their top story earlier today about how a bunch of militants went into a restaurant in Washington, DC, demanding that everybody raise their fist to 'support blm.' To do otherwise would likely provoke violence.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm...ists-in-viral-videos

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Frederick Kunkle, a Washington Post staff writer, posted a video Tuesday on Twitter that showed a crowd of protesters gathering closely around a woman, identified as Lauren Victor, as she sat outside on a sidewalk. The group demanded she raise her fist in solidarity as they chanted at her, “White silence is violence,” and, “No justice, no peace!”

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Originally posted by bossman:
Since he is 17, won't they also go after the lawful owner of the rifle he was in possession of?

Don't know, that's why I'm asking...

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Originally posted by bossman:
Since he is 17, won't they also go after the lawful owner of the rifle he was in possession of?

That very question makes me wonder about the other fellow holding the pistol.
I wonder how old he was. What's the age to have a pistol in Wisconsin?

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That very question makes me wonder about the other fellow holding the pistol.
I wonder how old he was. What's the age to have a pistol in Wisconsin?

21 to purchase, but he looks older than that to me.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
What? The statement comes for the Lake County, Illinois Clerk of Court records.

The statement:



Which I find very interesting because he immediately attempts to contact the police for help after the events. In fact, he was on his way directly to them when the second shooting happened.

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Originally posted by creslin:
That very question makes me wonder about the other fellow holding the pistol.
I wonder how old he was. What's the age to have a pistol in Wisconsin?

He looks college age, but apparently didn't learn much. Having a pistol and chasing after a kid with an AR15, I don't know what kind of results he was expecting.

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Originally posted by oddball:

He looks college age, but apparently didn't learn much. Having a pistol and chasing after a kid with an AR15, I don't know what kind of results he was expecting.

They intimidate and back down people so easily because of numbers they anticipate nothing different from anyone they go after. His trying to remove himself from the area only emboldens them, not unlike jackals after a prey. Hunting in groups...

Since most people avoid violence, or will act accordingly to avoid harm, and rightly so when you have 10, 20, 100 to one against you. They never expected he'd get to the trigger on them, skateboard guy was wrong, permanently.

Yikes, watching the Kenosha Press Conference is surreal...seems to be a lot of CYA going on. He is mentioning how the rioters are organizing, but also mentioned that there were requests to deputize certain citizens who possess firearms to help keep the peace.

He referenced the group that Kyle supposedly belonged to as being one of them.

Man, this sh#tshow could end up being the gold standard for all sh#tshows in the future.


https://www.nbcchicago.com/new...more-troops/2328775/

Anyone else impressed that this kid was able to take these guys out while in the midst of getting attacked and falling on the ground?

And he did it with a rifle....This kid is like John Wick!

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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:
Man, this sh#tshow could end up being the gold standard for all sh#tshows in the future.

I am afraid you're 100% correct.

https://www.breitbart.com/news...-wisconsin-protests/

Kyle Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, was taken into custody in Illinois on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide. Antioch is about 15 miles from Kenosha.

In the wake of the killings, Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers authorized 500 members of the National Guard to support local law enforcement around Kenosha, doubling the number of troops sent in. The governor’s office said he is working with other states to bring in additional National Guard troops and law officers. Authorities also announced a 7 p.m. curfew.

Rittenhouse, identified in court papers as a lifeguard at a YMCA in Lindenhurst, Illinois, was assigned a public defender in Illinois for a hearing Friday on handing him over to Wisconsin authorities. The public defender’s office had no comment.

Comically the Kenosha Police Chief is saying it's unfair to answer questions about an event when all you have is snippets of cell phone videos...

Apparently it's enough for the DA to charge the 17 yr old with First Degree Murder.

Reporters focusing on "militia members" and the National Guard raising the tension...no mention of the violent thugs who are burning/smashing/looting.

They must have shipped the reporters in from Portland.

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Kyle Rittenhouse, of Antioch, Illinois, was taken into custody in Illinois on suspicion of first-degree intentional homicide.

Good luck making that stick. What a load of horse shit. Maybe I could see charging the kid with something, but intentional 1st degree murder? After watching the myriad of video evidence? What a complete load of shit! It appears the attempt to railroad this kid is well under way.

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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:
Reporters focusing on "militia members" and the National Guard raising the tension...no mention of the violent thugs who are burning/smashing/looting.

Narrative baby. Gotta maintain that narrative at all costs. Its all they've got to try and use against Trump, and they know it.

I'm no lawyer but I think they overcharged. I've read that the AG for WI is a former lawyer at Perkins Coie....lefties get their tentacles in everywhere.

Article from Shipwreckedcrew at Red State.
(Videos at link)

Breaking Down The Videos Of The Two Shooting Incidents In Kenosha -- Self-Defense?

The YouTube video below, which seems to be a capture of a more than five-hour-long “live blog,” shows the best vantage I’ve seen of the sequence of events leading up to the first shooting Wisconsin.

As is almost always the case, the “hot takes,” which hit Twitter in the first minutes after an incident such as this, are almost always wrong.

If the video isn’t qued up in the correct spot, advance the time stamp to 3:59.00. Everything happens between 3:59.00 and 3:59.45.

Wisconsin is an “Open Carry” state. You may lawfully carry both a handgun and a long-gun openly without a permit. So the fact that the shooter is carrying a long-gun in public is not criminal activity on his part.

The first fact you see from the video is that the shooter was chased by the person he shot, and as they passed through the parking lot of the boarded-up gas station, the “victim” threw something at the shooter. There are reports that the item thrown was an unlit “Molotov Cocktail,” but you can’t know for sure from the video.

It seems like the shooter points the rifle at the “victim” at that point but does not fire. He instead turns to run again, and the “victim” continues to chase him. At that point, you hear the gunfire start, but you can’t see what happens. You hear a single shot, then four shots in rapid succession followed by three more shots in rapid succession. It seems like there is only one firearm, but I can’t be certain from the audio.

Here is a video that supposedly shows the car lot being vandalized a few moments before the first shooting incident.

The shooter was apparently attempting to protect this business, and the “victim” was one of the individuals in this group damaging cars. I have seen Twitter comments claiming that the “victim” and others were preparing to start lighting some of the cars on fire when the shooter stepped in to intervene. What happened during that initial intervention is not recorded on video anywhere that I have found, but that confrontation ended with the “victim” chasing the shooter out of the car lot and down the street. That is where the YouTube video at the top first captures the two, leading directly to the first shooting in the gas station parking lot where the “victim” was killed.

The nature of that first confrontation in the parking lot is important to the overall event. If the shooter was threatened with violence, and then chased down the street to the gas station, he very likely has a strong case for self-defense. The “victim” is the aggressor, and the nature of their initial confrontation will establish the extent to which the shooter can claim he feared serious injury or death if he had not defended himself in the way he did. The actions of the “victim” in the car lot will also be significant. If there is video of him engaging in violent acts of vandalism that the shooter observed, the case for self-defense improves as well.

Again, under Wisconsin law, the shooter had not committed any illegal act by being present on the streets of Kenosha carrying a loaded long-gun. No criminality can be inferred from that action. I read in a Twitter post that there are 600,000 deer hunting licenses issued in Wisconsin each year, and the presence of long-guns in communities all over the state is ubiquitous.

As for the second shooting episode, the shooter is clearly attempting to get away from the people who are pursuing him. Who all those people were will be difficult to establish with certainty, but there are numerous videos with audio that captured what they were yelling.

This is the video that has been most widely circulated.

There seems to be little question about whether the shooter had anything to fear from those pursuing him. One individual managed to catch up to him and appears to try to hit him in the back of the head with some object. He evades that person and continues to run down the street, but then seems to stumble and fall. You can clearly hear someone yell, “Get his ass” at that point. The shooter gets himself into a seated position facing back at the people pursing him. The closest pursuer manages to run over the top of him, with both of them going down, but the shooter maintaining possession of his long gun. At that point, at least three different pursuers closed in on him from three different directions — all closing to within approximately 10 feet of him. A second individual attempts to grab the long-gun away from the shooter, but he still has the shoulder strap around his body.

It is hard to tell from the video, but it seems like the second individual is shot as a result of the long-gun discharging while they both have their hands on it, with the muzzle pointed at the second individual. He “runs” only a couple steps before he goes down in the street, and he does not move again during the remainder of the video while he is in the frame of the camera.

The shooter fires a few more shots as the people who were pursuing him all scatter in different directions. The shooter then regains his feet and begins a more “tactical” retreat, walking backward while facing the direction that his pursuers had come from.

Several police vehicles can be seen arriving in the next 30-45 seconds, and the shooter makes contact with the first vehicle to arrive.

The videos certainly seem to capture many elements of what would be deemed a “self-defense” use of deadly force. The fact that the shooter was in possession of a deadly weapon is not an issue under Wisconsin law. The details of the initial confrontation between the shooter and the first “victim” will play a meaningful role in the evaluation of the incident. But if the shooter was placed in reasonable fear for his life, or that there was a threat of serious bodily injury to himself or others posed by the actions of the first “victim,” it is quite possible the first shooting was justified self-defense since he was being pursued.

If true, the individuals who mistakenly chased him down the street, under the wrong impression that he had done something illegal in the first shooting, are “on their own” legally. They have no “right of apprehension” for a crime that did not occur. The loss of life with regard to the second “victim” is regrettable, but he placed himself in a position to be vulnerable to the shooter’s perceived need to protect himself a second time.

Life lesson – don’t chase someone who has a gun if they have just used it.

https://www.redstate.com/shipw...w/2020/08/26/905992/

I'll be very curious how Antifa/BLM respond tonight in Kenosha. The Guard is coming in. I assume they'll do their normal fireworks display and shaking of fences, but I wonder if they'll try to up the BS?

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Apparently it's enough for the DA to charge the 17 yr old with First Degree Murder.

He hasn't been charged... at least not yet.
He has been arrested.

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The Kenosha police are holding a press briefing that's just starting.
They say it will be investigated and then be turned over to the DA.

What the fuck happened to investigate first and then see if charges are needed????? Especially for 1st degree murder?? This is ass backwards!
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He hasn't been charged... at least not yet.
He has been arrested.
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If he has been arrested, he is charged, unless they have some stupid law that allows them to hold someone without charging them

3 weeks ago I posted a report from NSSF about gun sales.

This is an update to that report

https://www.nssf.org/first-tim...y-5-million-in-2020/

NSSF®, the trade association for the firearm industry, updated retail survey-based estimates and concluded that nearly 5 million Americans purchased a firearm for the very first time in 2020

NSSF surveyed firearm retailers which reported that 40 percent of sales were conducted to purchasers who have never previously owned a firearm.

NSSF-adjusted NICS checks for January through July 2020 is a record 12.1 million

This equates to nearly 5 million first-time gun owners in the first seven months of 2020.

NSSF surveys revealed that 58 percent of firearm purchases were among African American men and women, the largest increase of any demographic group

Women comprised 40 percent of first-time gun purchasers