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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Well, so far, Detroit Police Chief James Craig ain't havin' none of it: ...

I don't think he ever "had any of it." Detroit has been pretty quiet during all this, IIRC.

They've seen a bit, but Craig (worked the LA riots coming up), the mayor, and the City Council made it clear from the beginning they weren't going to put up with this BS. Amazing what standing together and presenting a fortified front does in dealing with this garbage.

Exactly.

On the few occasions the DPD has come under fire from the left, Craig has been quick to point out "Don't start none, won't be none." Like the time, a few weeks back, a couple "protesters" where "hit by" a DPD SUV. Funny how that happens if you throw yourself in front of a moving vehicle

Nobody's heard much about it because DPD has been quick to tamp it down. Peace achieved by means of people understanding the law will be enforced does not fit the left's (read: the dominant "news" media's) narrative.

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Originally posted by IndianaBoy:
There's going to be a Stalingrad situation in one of these cities eventually.

I don't see the Stalingrad analogy. Maybe more like Second Battle of Fallujah...

Imagine how they're going to act if they don't 'get their way' come Nov. 3.

This emboldening/enabling doesn't bode well.

Of course, the D's have been crickets as most of this is in their backyard and the actual facts are not in their favor.

Boss

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Originally posted by Boss1:
Of course, the D's have been crickets as most of this is in their backyard and the actual facts are not in their favor.

I suspect their sitting it out is coming back to bite them, and I don't think the dominant "news" media's tacit support of them sitting it out is helping them any, either.

It may just be The People aren't quite as stupid as the left believes them to be.

the rules of engagement need to change

throw a rock, get shot

throw a bottle, get shot

impede the passage of a vehicle, get run over

burn or loot, get shot

the problem won't get better until the bad guys are dead, not in jail, not in temp custody, but dead

you need to treat these animals the same way you would treat any other rabid animal - you need to dispose of it

I am so tired of this shit, seriously, I just wanted to be left alone, do my thing, not have someone following me around a store telling me I forgot my mask

and the media needs to feel the wrath as well - press people actively involved in not only egging the rioters on but actively participating...

things need to change, and it needs to change fast because its gonna hurt, and the longer it festers, the more its gonna hurt

Democrats getting in front of the media and spouting the "peaceful protesting" line while everyone else is seeing the video & photographic evidence of Burn Loot Murder, is not helping them at all.

The other thing people need to do is reframe BLM as what it is, not about complicated plight of blacks in America but about the fact that it's racist, terrorist organization and that between them and antifa, they're the 21st Century's version of the KKK.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I suspect their sitting it out is coming back to bite them, and I don't think the dominant "news" media's tacit support of them sitting it out is helping them any, either.

It may just be The People aren't quite as stupid as the left believes them to be.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
arresting them is one thing

but when you have DA's state that they will not prosecute, the arrest means very little - just a minor inconvenience

they're not even paying the bail - Soros is footing all of that

its going to be an all-out shooting engagement - I'm surprised the police didn't kill those two rifle-wielding terrorists that stopped them - that should be the wake-up call that says the gloves are off and lethal force is the rule rather than the exception

its going to get worse, and ammo is in short supply

Based on the reporting of several independent journalists like Andy Ngo and others on the ground there, most of the people getting arrested are quickly released without bail. Those who do get bail, are quickly bailed out by various GoFundMe accounts set up for that purpose. Some of the arrested folks have been seen back at the riots the next night.

I read on a site where a Soros funded group had a bank account set up with several million in it. Protestors were told not to worry about bail if arrested that they already had plans for that.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
I must say, so far Detroit is doing a great job. I was just in downtown Detroit the other day for a meeting and I felt safe. Didn’t have any issues with roads being blocked or anything. Everything seemed completely normal.

I'm glad to hear it. Detroit is the closest thing I have to a "home town", having lived there more or less continuously from age 4 to 22. I did not return there after retiring from USAF, though -- I opted for warmer climes. I've been in Dallas now for almost 40 years, and it is my "home", but "home town" is where you were raised.

flashguy

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I read on a site where a Soros funded group had a bank account set up with several million in it. Protestors were told not to worry about bail if arrested that they already had plans for that.

You see, these people aren't just spontaneous, peaceful protestors. They are the useful idiots for the Marxist revolution. Republicans are going to have to start saying so. The Dems never will because they are part of it.

When we see that justice is measured, not by due process, but by compulsion; when we see that in order to invoke our right to due process, we need to obtain permission from those who rebuke the constitution; when we see that justice is determined by those who leverage, not in law, but in politics; when we see that representatives get power over individual liberty by graft and by scheme, and our representatives don’t protect us against them, but protect them against us; when we see corruption holding influence and individual liberty so easily dispatched and nullified; we may well know that our freedom too is soon to perish...

https://theconservativetreehou...ion-to-1984-is-1776/

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
arresting them is one thing

but when you have DA's state that they will not prosecute, the arrest means very little - just a minor inconvenience

they're not even paying the bail - Soros is footing all of that

its going to be an all-out shooting engagement - I'm surprised the police didn't kill those two rifle-wielding terrorists that stopped them - that should be the wake-up call that says the gloves are off and lethal force is the rule rather than the exception

its going to get worse, and ammo is in short supply

Based on the reporting of several independent journalists like Andy Ngo and others on the ground there, most of the people getting arrested are quickly released without bail. Those who do get bail, are quickly bailed out by various GoFundMe accounts set up for that purpose. Some of the arrested folks have been seen back at the riots the next night.

this is happening in many large urban settings. Are jails here in SLC are basically a revolving door. Before I retired I hadn't been to jail in almost 6 months due to leftist restrictive policies in jails and the mass incarceration bullshit. Cops cant even get these pawns off the street for even a couple of hours.

Yeah, there are a lot of people in these protests that officers could easily shoot and be justified in doing so. The rioters are not prosecuted. The cops know they will be persecuted if they use lethal force. The only thing LEO's can do is suffer the wrath of a politically corrupt system slanted against them or walk away and let these marauding Marxists do what they do until they meet the unlikely citizens resistance or the lefts politicians learn their lesson next election.

Are the officers that are required to just get injured to the point of disability going to get fucked by the system now?

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The only thing that will stop them is when the citizens have had enough and take action themselves.

What we are facing is a Marxist revolution.

Serious question: Has a Marxist revolution ever been stopped cold, anywhere? Russia, China, Cuba, Venezuela failed to see what was coming and by then it was too late.

Marxists can only be stopped by force because they don't want fair elections and they won't accept the results.

The United Kingdom has suffered bouts of socialist upheavals all through the 20th century, the Spanish Civil War just across the straits drove home the mechanisms and the theology which allowed the Labor Party to form, championing union workers, the anti-monarchists and communist sympathizers. Right after WWII Clement Atlee ousted Winston Churchill, dramatically increasing the welfare state and creating the National Institute of Health. From then on, the UK lurched back and forth between leftist Labor and more capitalistic Conservatives. Wilson and Callaghan dragged the pound sterling through inflation and devaluation, while also fending off internal battles from their more leftist party members who felt they weren't doing enough. It wasn't until Thatcher was elected that Labor's hard left, post-WWII positions softened and the UK was able to emerge with a renewed optimism.

Here is a long and thoughtful article on how Marxism has taken over the Democrat party, and how it aims to destroy democratic legitimacy. I don’t agree with all of it, but it attempts to deal with the intellectual challenge Marxism poses to the liberals, and why liberals are adopting Marxist policies as a result.

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Thus the endless dance of liberalism and Marxism, which goes like this:

1. Liberals declare that henceforth all will be free and equal, emphasizing that reason (not tradition) will determine the content of each individual’s rights.

2. Marxists, exercising reason, point to many genuine instances of unfreedom and inequality in society, decrying them as oppression and demanding new rights.

3. Liberals, embarrassed by the presence of unfreedom and inequality after having declared that all would be free and equal, adopt some of the Marxists’ demands for new rights.

4. Return to #1 above and repeat.

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Here is a long and thoughtful article on how Marxism has taken over the Democrat party, and how it aims to destroy democratic legitimacy.

Good article. Everyone here should read it.

This illustrates why most people don't realize what we are up against:

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The new Marxists do not use the technical jargon that was devised by 19th-century Communists. They don’t talk about the bourgeoisie, proletariat, class struggle, alienation of labor, commodity fetishism, and the rest, and in fact they have developed their own jargon tailored to present circumstances in America, Britain, and elsewhere. Nevertheless, their politics are based on Marx’s framework for critiquing liberalism (what Marx calls the “ideology of the bourgeoisie”) and overthrowing it.

Just because they don't use the same terms as Marx did doesn't mean they aren't espousing the overthrow of the United States, as founded.

Exactly right, Chellim1, and that has a lot of people confused. So for example if we call someone a Socialist, others will argue that the “socialist” is not espousing nationalizing the means of production, so can’t be a socialist. If we call someone a Communist, by the same argument others will say no, he doesn’t believe in the violent overthrow of the government.

This article is particularly good on that issue.

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Thus the endless dance of liberalism and Marxism, which goes like this:

1. Liberals declare that henceforth all will be free and equal, emphasizing that reason (not tradition) will determine the content of each individual’s rights.

2. Marxists, exercising reason, point to many genuine instances of unfreedom and inequality in society, decrying them as oppression and demanding new rights.

3. Liberals, embarrassed by the presence of unfreedom and inequality after having declared that all would be free and equal, adopt some of the Marxists’ demands for new rights.

4. Return to #1 above and repeat.

You and I know that the Liberal Progressives don't believe in freedom and equality in the same way our founding fathers did. When the founders said:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

We know that they meant equality before the law, which translates to equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcomes or results.

Once you go down that path of equality of outcomes, it inevitably leads to Marxism.

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We know that they meant equality before the law, which translates to equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcomes or results.

Once you go down that path of equality of outcomes, it inevitably leads to Marxism.

Even Marxism is a lie when it comes to 'equality of outcome.' The dreamers like to pretend that everybody will be equal. Yet, in every demonstrated case (such as the USSR), we saw how 'some animals are more equal than others.' The Soviet people starved and suffered while the Soviet leadership lived in excessive luxury.

The full-retard socialists who want the US to turn socialist imagine themselves to be in the Politburo, ruling from on high, enjoying benefits and power far above that of the masses. They would gleefully welcome a police state, as long as they are in charge of that state (and the police).

The underpinning of socialism is to first, measure a person's worth, their human value, by their worldly attainments. Second, it is an injustice, a violation of "rights" if one person, or a class of persons have less. Third, in the name of equality and justice, force a redistribution of worldly attainments (after the gov't feeds itself first).

But Hound Dog said it better than I did. Outcome needs to be equal even if the work and skill inputs are very unequal.

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The underpinning of socialism is to first, measure a person's worth, their human value, by their worldly attainments. Second, it is an injustice, a violation of "rights" if one person, or a class of persons have less. Third, in the name of equality and justice, force a redistribution of worldly attainments (after the gov't feeds itself first).

But Hound Dog said it better than I did. Outcome needs to be equal even if the work and skill inputs are very unequal.

Socialism has always failed and always will because of one fundamental problem....socialism exists in direct contradiction to basic human nature, that being that everyone wants to "keep what they kill". If any sharing is done, human nature dictates it will only be done at the discretion of the person who possesses that to be shared. When you change that dynamic, as socialism requires, the system will always fail.