A Tiananmen Square type response is probably just what Soros is hoping for, and would cause serious legitimacy problems for our government. Still, one can’t help thinking that if several of the Belligerent Lying Marxists were mowed down with a belt-fed, George Soros were captured, tried for treason against the United States, convicted, and hung in public for it, things might get better. Sigh...

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Originally posted by slosig:
A Tiananmen Square type response is probably just what Soros is hoping for, and would cause serious legitimacy problems for our government. Still, one can’t help thinking that if several of the Belligerent Lying Marxists were mowed down with a belt-fed, George Soros were captured, tried for treason against the United States, convicted, and hung in public for it, things might get better. Sigh...

Just promise me that if you're going to stretch Soro's neck, you do it in a very big tree so you can also hang up some of his accomplices in Congress alongside him. There are lots of people at the core of this that need to be cleaned out.

^^^ @slosig

We send America's Treasure all over the world to eliminate threats to other nations, Saddam, Osama, etc, yet suffer Soros to live.

He should be hunted down and eliminated before the sun sets on these United States, today.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
The underpinning of socialism is to first, measure a person's worth, their human value, by their worldly attainments. Second, it is an injustice, a violation of "rights" if one person, or a class of persons have less. Third, in the name of equality and justice, force a redistribution of worldly attainments (after the gov't feeds itself first).

But Hound Dog said it better than I did. Outcome needs to be equal even if the work and skill inputs are very unequal.

Socialism has always failed and always will because of one fundamental problem....socialism exists in direct contradiction to basic human nature, that being that everyone wants to "keep what they kill". If any sharing is done, human nature dictates it will only be done at the discretion of the person who possesses that to be shared. When you change that dynamic, as socialism requires, the system will always fail.

I might suggest another guaranteed failure mechanism of socialism. Because socialism promises you can eat from your neighbors garden, people don't have incentive to produce. Socialist economies will always go bankrupt.

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Socialism has always failed and always will because of one fundamental problem....socialism exists in direct contradiction to basic human nature, that being that everyone wants to "keep what they kill". If any sharing is done, human nature dictates it will only be done at the discretion of the person who possesses that to be shared. When you change that dynamic, as socialism requires, the system will always fail.

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I might suggest another guaranteed failure mechanism of socialism. Because socialism promises you can eat from your neighbors garden, people don't have incentive to produce. Socialist economies will always go bankrupt.

You guys are saying essentially the same thing... except one of you is a hunter, and the other a farmer/gatherer.

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We know that they meant equality before the law, which translates to equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcomes or results.

Once you go down that path of equality of outcomes, it inevitably leads to Marxism.

Even Marxism is a lie when it comes to 'equality of outcome.' The dreamers like to pretend that everybody will be equal. Yet, in every demonstrated case (such as the USSR), we saw how 'some animals are more equal than others.' The Soviet people starved and suffered while the Soviet leadership lived in excessive luxury.

The full-retard socialists who want the US to turn socialist imagine themselves to be in the Politburo, ruling from on high, enjoying benefits and power far above that of the masses. They would gleefully welcome a police state, as long as they are in charge of that state (and the police).

I think there's only a small amount that are savy enough to think that they could be in the ruling group. Most are just enamored with the equality of outcomes theory and believe that such a line of thinking means all human failings like greed and prejudice will be eliminated. Little do they understand that under such a tyrannical framework, those failings actually rise and become the norm. Almost all discussions I've had people like to cite Denmark, Scandinavians, how Europe does it...yet, they can't account for why those countries still have private property, private industry, banks and stock trading exists, tax sheltering and exceptions exist.

The smarter ones attempt to talk about Democratic-Socialism (ie welfare state)(Scandinavia/Germany)and it's distinctions however, they start to stumble when you point out that none of the talking heads in the US political discourse is pushing for such but, instead full nationalization of industry and social policy diktats which are the hallmarks of communism.

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Almost all discussions I've had people like to cite Denmark, Scandinavians, how Europe does it...yet, they can't account for why those countries still have private property, private industry, banks and stock trading exists, tax sheltering and exceptions exist.

Those nations are not "socialist" (nor Marxist). Too many Americans (left and right) do not understand (and really don't want to- doesn't fit many of their world views) that the modern welfare state was primarily a creation of conservatives and classical liberals who wanted to prevent socialism and communism.

The father of the welfare state was Bismarck.

Bismarck wasn't a conservative, he was a straight-up autocrat. The Europeans all did what Bismarck did - try to reconcile ye olde worlde monarchism with early communism. That wound up being a way to deny power to the middle classes, which ultimately meant preventing the diffusion of political power among, and denying actual democracy to, the people of the country. That's why Bismarck had no problem with being a paternalistic micromanaging asshole.

BLM leaders are declaring that Kenosha will burn until the officer is arrested. Not a terrorist group?

https://www.insider.com/jacob-...hed-activists-2020-8


In related news, deputies respond to a domestic, a man involved had warrants, they attempt arrest, two deputies shot. No media attention.

https://www.wsoctv.com/news/lo...QNFFFXAOELQMGMFRYVY/

I thought I had it made when I finally got a union job in the tv news photog business. It became immediately apparent that no one had to produce at a level above the weakest "brother". If you did the others looked bad, you would be ostracized, shunned or even attacked (poked tires, keyed cars, etc.).

Kenosha put under curfew tonight and 125 National Guard members have been called in to protect critical infrastructure. If the "protesters" show up with AR's again it might go very sideways tonight.


https://www.wisn.com/article/k...r-2nd-night/33763691

Project Veritas sues to overturn Oregon law preventing undercover journalism

Lawsuit accuses state of punishing news gathering in the name of privacy

Project Veritas filed a lawsuit Monday challenging Oregon’s law barring recording without first obtaining the permission of all parties, accusing the state of “punishing the gathering and publication of truthful news in the name of privacy.”

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Portland said that but for Oregon’s law, Project Veritas would seek to embed its undercover investigators with protesters and fringe groups to collect information about the leftist rioters besieging the city for nearly three months.

“We are seeking to strengthen watchdog journalism by overturning an unconstitutional law criminalizing the kind of corruption-exposing journalism which holds the powerful accountable across the country,” said James O’Keefe, Project Veritas founder and president, in a statement.

Thirty-six states have one-party recording laws, which allow audio and video recording as long as one party is aware of it, according to Justia.com, but Oregon is an “all-party consent state” where those recording others without their permission may face misdemeanor charges.

“In Oregon it is legal to record telephone conversations with the consent of at least one party, but recording in-person conversations requires the consent of all parties except for in certain circumstances, such as when all parties reasonably should have known they were being recorded,” Justia said.

Mr. O’Keefe argued that the restrictions have impeded reporting about the Portland unrest and the involvement of shadowy protest groups like Antifa.

“Imagine the Statesman Journal or the Oregonian’s coverage of Portland’s violent and destructive protests if they were able to record deep inside the civil unrest and expose who is really behind the violence,” he said. “By denying the right to record, Oregon bans the most effective means of gathering the news.”

The lawsuit names Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum and Multnomah County District Attorney Michael Schmidt as defendants.

“The courts have used this law to endorse the arrest of a citizen who held a camera, warned the person he was filming that he had them on camera, but didn’t specifically warn the camera captured audio,” said P.V. attorney Benjamin Barr. “It is absurd. But more importantly, it is unconstitutional.”

In December 2018, Project Veritas won a lawsuit against a Massachusetts law that prohibited the undercover recording of government officials and police officers.

“We made First Amendment history with our legal victory in Massachusetts federal court, when the judge struck down that state’s multiple-party consent laws for recording public officials conducting the public’s business, and we are now trying to restore the First Amendment to Oregon,” Mr. O’Keefe said.

Project Veritas, known for its hidden-camera investigations, released in June undercover footage of a Rose City Antifa training session in Portland that included tips on weapons and tactics, including eye-gouging.

LINK

It appears Jacob Blake, like George Floyd has a criminal record:

https://thenationalpulse.com/n...ot-in-wisconsin-had/

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
^^^ @slosig

We send America's Treasure all over the world to eliminate threats to other nations, Saddam, Osama, etc, yet suffer Soros to live.

He should be hunted down and eliminated before the sun sets on these United States, today.

yes, but then we need to go in and freeze his foundations - thats where the current money is coming from...find that and seize it

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
^^^ @slosig

We send America's Treasure all over the world to eliminate threats to other nations, Saddam, Osama, etc, yet suffer Soros to live.

He should be hunted down and eliminated before the sun sets on these United States, today.

yes, but then we need to go in and freeze his foundations - thats where the current money is coming from...find that and seize it

I'd love to hear him try to defend his actions. He pours money on that end and people die and cities burn on this end. He needs to get a message that he has humped his last leg.

And don’t be at all surprised if Bloomberg also has money in the game.

I would not be surprised if China has money in the game. Asymmetric warfare.

80 days of this shit in PDX land now and no end in sight.

I keep hearing from these moron's that - no big deal, insurance covers it.

Eh, it's obvious these moron's do not understand how insurance works - it's a for profit enterprise. If I recall, insurance policies have clauses in them to avoid having to payout. I think riots / civil unrest is one such clause.

PDX has had 16 official riots declared by Police. But what about the other 64 days of violence? Insurance going to cover?

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Almost all discussions I've had people like to cite Denmark, Scandinavians, how Europe does it...yet, they can't account for why those countries still have private property, private industry, banks and stock trading exists, tax sheltering and exceptions exist.

Those nations are not "socialist" (nor Marxist). Too many Americans (left and right) do not understand (and really don't want to- doesn't fit many of their world views) that the modern welfare state was primarily a creation of conservatives and classical liberals who wanted to prevent socialism and communism.

The father of the welfare state was Bismarck.

Most American's don't understand democrat-socialism, which is the welfare state within the framework of capitalism; my second statement points that out. Private enterprise is encouraged however, the taxation to pay for all the govt services is prohibitively high. Those Americans who are supportive of leftist policies, think they want that, yet, existing examples of govt run/overseen disfunction such as the VA, Postal Service, etc... are prime examples of why democrat-socialism will not work in the US.

Aftermath at Portland Police Precinct from last night.

Looks like a few rocks were thrown at officers.



Kenosha, Wisconsin from last night.
Makes me wonder were those concrete chunks delivered for protesters?

^^^^ I was listening to the scanner today for Kenosha and they appeared to have a tiered response with officers in observation positions, officers and standby or hold positions, and officers and quick reaction positions. There were several reports from offices observing of individuals filling bags and backpacks with bricks, rocks, etc.

Unfortunately I got a call and had to drop so I never heard the outcome.