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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Looks like they were being very professional in dealing with him and trying to get him into the police car.

This. The officers were even calming in the way they handled Floyd.

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He kept claiming he was claustrophobic.
And it's likely the officers thought he was just making up excuses.

Total horseshit given he was just sitting in the front seat of his own auto without being claustrophobic. I'm going with the officers on this one.

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Looks like manslaughter though negligence and failure to provide care, if that.

Sorry, that's not on the table. That Minnesota moron Keith Ellison has charged the officer involved with 1st degree murder to placate the mob, which they will never be able to prove.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
corsair, you could easily be right but I'm not sure that you are. I've seen footage of 11 year old white kids from the suburbs looting during this mess.

My WAG, for what little it may be worth, is that "Rico's" case is just another example of "stupid people tend to get caught".

I would say you'd be spot-on at the end of May when all this stupidity kicked-off however, we're approaching 70-days of 'protests'. Most people have gotten-on with life, meanwhile the misfits, social rejects, self-loathing outcasts and revolutionaries continue to congregate in places like downtown Portland and Seattle.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
You can read the entire autopsy report and toxicology findings here

OK...since a link to an autopsy is posted, here's an excerpt to the e-mail my dad sent me. I've removed the Conservative "slant" from the e-mail and hopefully just posted factual observation. I'm still working on a source, so if this needs to be deleted, please let me know and I'll do so.

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The first thing that jumps out when reading the Floyd autopsy report is the finding: "No life-threatening injuries were identified". That is a direct quote. There were no facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae noted.

Petechiae is a pinhead size red or purple spot on the surface of the skin which is the result of tiny ruptures in blood vessels resulting in hemorrhage just below the skin. Petechiae are normal and expected when air and blood flow are cut off at the neck by any mechanism. The eyes are the best place see petechiae. If you cut off blood circulation, blood pressure spikes up which breaks blood vessels, and that causes petechiae.

The pathologist that did the autopsy dissected George Floyd's neck muscles layer by layer. The dissection did not find any contusion or hemorrhage in any of the muscles. If Derek Chauvin's knee on George Floyd's neck cut off blood flow, the pressure would have ruptured blood vessels, causing bleeding into the surrounding tissue. The bleeding would have been massive and visible to the naked eye. There was no bleeding into neck tissue.

If Chauvin's knee cut off Floyd's air supply, the pressure would have broken the esophageal cartilage. This is a 100% certainty.

Place your thumb and index on your esophagus. Press backward into your neck. When you get as far back as you can comfortably push, lock your fingers, pull them out and look how big your esophagus actually is.

You don't collapse the esophagus to the point of cutting off air flow without breaking the cartilage.

In a forensic autopsy, the pathologist examines the esophagus in place, then removes the entire esophagus and cuts the entire length open and examines the inside. Floyd's neck and esophagus did not have any trauma.

The thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone were both intact and unbroken. The cervical spinal column was palpably stable and free of hemorrhage.

The anterior muscles of neck and laryngeal structures were trauma free. Chauvin's knee did not cause any trauma to any part of Floyd's neck. There was no scalp, soft tissue, skull, or brain trauma noted.

There were no chest wall soft tissue injuries, vertebral column injuries, or visceral injuries. That means Floyd's internal organs did not show any trauma. Floyd did have a single rib fracture from CPR. That is not uncommon. The pathologist rolled Floyd's body over and incised the posterior and lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks looking for deep tissue trauma. There was no trauma present.

The pathologist did observe cutaneous injuries to the forehead, face, upper lip, the mucosal injuries of the lips, cutaneous injuries to the shoulders, hands, elbows, and legs. Cutaneous injuries are confined to the skin. Some of the injuries were healing and happened before Floyd's arrest. The rest were probably the result of scraping contact with pavement during the arrest. There was no trauma below the skin. The pathologist noted and documented patterned contusions and abrasions to the wrists consistent with handcuffs.

If you watched the video, you can hear Floyd saying he can't breathe. If you can't breathe, you can't say you can't breathe. There has been much said about that not being true. The people saying it are either lying or uninformed. I don't know why that is so hard for people to understand.

The autopsy established that Floyd had a history of hypertension, hypertensive heart disease, severe arteriosclerotic heart disease, and an enlarged heart. Floyd had a left pelvic tumor which did not contribute to his death. Floyd tested positive for COVID 19.

Toxicology puts the nail in the coffin of Ellison's murder charge. The individual that called 911 said Floyd was extremely drunk and not in control of himself. On one video, Floyd's legs buckled and he fell beside a squad car, indicating loss of control.

Floyd tested positive for Fentanyl 11 ng/mL. Blood concentrations of 7 ng/ml (nanograms per milliliter) have been associated with fatalities where multi drugs were used. Floyd was a multiple drug user. Floyd tested positive for Norfentanyl at 5.6 ng/mL a metabolite of Fentanyl.

NOTE: The body metabolizes Fentanyl into Norfentanyl. Floyd tested positive for 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL. 4-ANPP is an intermediate in the synthesis of fentanyl and related opioids and is often found as an impurity in fentanyl preparations.

A urine drug screen confirmation 86 ng/mL of free morphine.

(NOTE: The body metabolizes opioids like Fentanyl into morphine.)

Floyd tested positive for 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL; Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9

THC 2.9 ng/mL. That means Floyd smoked marijuana before his death.

Floyd tested positive for caffeine. Apparently Floyd took No-Doz by the handful and consumed 5-hour Energy Drinks, which are caffeine based.

Caffeine may seem harmless, but it is a stimulant that increases heart rate and spikes blood pressure up. People with hypertension should limit caffeine. Floyd did not limit his caffeine intake.

Floyd had 19 ng/mL of Methamphetamine in his system.

Meth can cause confusion, hallucinations, convulsions, and circulatory collapse. A man with high blood pressure and heart disease should not be getting high on meth.

There is an additional section in the autopsy report that precludes murder charges: The microscopic examination.

The pathologist doing the autopsy takes multiple tissue samples from each organ in the body. The samples are sent to Histology and come back as microscope slides that a pathologist can examine at the cellular level.

Seven slides of George Floyd's liver showed marked congestion. Eight slides of his kidney showed marked congestion. Nine slides of Floyd's adrenal glands showed marked congestion. Nine slides of his spleen showed marked congestion. Marked used in this context means president, evident, and clearly visible.

The most important slides, the slides with the big picture, concern Floyd's brain. The pathologist that did the autopsy took tissue sections from Floyd's hippocampus, cerebellum, cerebral cortex, and midbrain.

The microscopic architecture of Floyd's brain was normal. The slides did not show any sign of hypoxic-ischemia, or reactive, neoplastic, or inflammatory changes. Hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy is the result of a lack of oxygen to the brain. The lack of oxygen quickly damages brain cells.

Floyd's brain cells did not show any hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy. Hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy is present in all strangulations.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Looks like they were being very professional in dealing with him and trying to get him into the police car.

This. The officers were even calming in the way they handled Floyd.

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He kept claiming he was claustrophobic.
And it's likely the officers thought he was just making up excuses.

Total horseshit given he was just sitting in the front seat of his own auto without being claustrophobic. I'm going with the officers on this one.

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Looks like manslaughter though negligence and failure to provide care, if that.

Sorry, that's not on the table. That Minnesota moron Keith Ellison has charged the officer involved with 1st degree murder to placate the mob, which they will never be able to prove.

Actually, I think it’s 2nd degree manslaughter. And Second degree murder.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Remember the guy who was arrested for throwng the fireworks device, and got caught because of his vest ?

“The device I’ve been accused of allegedly throwing was allegedly given to me by an unknown protestor with full face coverings.”

That is a familiar defense. Shader reportedly blamed three African Americans with giving her the Molotov cocktail that she used to torch a police vehicle in New York.

He was shown protecting a naked woman during the protests.

I believe both of these criminals.
On page 4 of this thread I posted a picture of one of the instigators delivering shields for use by others.

In multiple videos I have observed cases of frozen water bottles being delivered for others to throw. From the sound they made, they were definitely frozen.

Those running the show deliver items for the gullible to use in commission of crimes.
I have not seen those delivering the objects utilize them themselves, they just place them down and walk away.

He was only protecting the naked street performer in his own mind.
She was doing everything she could to get away from him as he worked his way back in front of her.

At one point he turned around and took a good look at her fur and I am not referring to the under arms which were furry as well.

Then during one of his maneuvers he slyly grabbed her buttocks, she knocked his hand away.

I actually felt a bit sorry for him with his feeble attempts to “protect” her while she was trying to perform her dance in front of the line of officers.

It was a staged event for her cameraman, and this fool was getting in the way.

From his actions with the naked girl, it was easy to see how gullible this young man was.
Now I am wondering if this dance was before his throwing the explosive device.
He would have been an easy mark, to target for throwing the explosive device.

I hope these are sufficiently blurred, if not I can remove them.
I think the images show how laughable his actions were.

Here he is providing protection.



The sly buttocks grab, before she pushes his hand away.

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This syndrome will be raised at the trials of George Floyd's death.

Understanding Excited Delirium: 4 Takeaways for Law Enforcement Officers

https://www.lexipol.com/resour...nforcement-officers/

In 2009, the American College of Emergency Physicians officially recognized excited delirium syndrome (ExDS) as a medical condition. In a recent webinar, Dr. John Peters of the Institute for the Prevention of In-Custody Deaths, Dr. Gary Vilke from the University of California-San Diego, and Chief Ken Wallentine of the West Jordan (UT) Police Department discussed the progress in documenting the prevalence of ExDS. They also covered protocols for officer safety and proven practices that increase the subject’s chances of survival. This discussion provided several takeaways for law enforcement officers to consider when training for encounters with subjects displaying excited delirium.

1. Excited delirium is a real condition.

Excited delirium has provoked some controversy, with some police critics claiming the term was “invented” to defend the excessive use of force by police officers. In fact, excited delirium is nothing new. Descriptions of cases bearing this phenomenon date back 150 years. The American Medical Association has traced events that look much like what we call excited delirium today to what was then called Bell’s Mania. In its resolution 401, A-08, the American Medical Association stated:

Excited delirium is a widely accepted entity in forensic pathology and is cited by medical examiners to explain the sudden in-custody death of individuals who are combative and in a highly agitated state. Excited delirium is broadly defined as a state of agitation, excitability, paranoia, aggression, and apparent immunity to pain, often associated with stimulant use and certain psychiatric disorders. … Speculation about triggering factors include sudden and intense activation of the sympathetic nervous system, with hyperthermia, and/or acidosis, which could trigger life-threatening arrhythmias in susceptible individuals.

The exact pathophysiology of ExDS remains unidentified, although theories on contributing factors include dopamine transporter abnormalities, genetic susceptibility, enzyme excessor deficiency, an overdose or withdrawal state, or some other multifactorial trigger. There is no definitive, diagnostic test for ExDS, meaning law enforcement officers must use identification by clinical features.

2. ExDS presents significant risk to officers.

In a recent Canadian study, it was discovered that ExDS subjects are far more violent than drunk subjects. Additional findings include:

With subjects displaying probable ExDS, 89% of the time there was a struggle between that subject and officer that went to the ground.
82% of subjects in a state of ExDS displayed assaultive behavior or presented a threat of grievous bodily harm or death.
The more the ExDS features displayed by a subject, the greater chance of assaultive behavior. This greater physical risk comes from the subject’s lack of remorse, normal fear or understanding of surroundings and rational thoughts of safety. The usual tactics to detain a subject often don’t work and the potential exists for the struggle to be elongated

Excited delirium is a widely accepted entity in forensic pathology and is cited by medical examiners to explain the sudden in-custody death of individuals who are combative and in a highly agitated state.

3. Standard compliance tactics could make things worse.

De-escalation tactics are not likely to be effective, as ExDS subjects are usually either not paying attention or are unable to follow commands. If the subject does not present imminent danger to themselves or others, officers should wait until additional personnel arrive for a tactical approach to stabilize the subject. Additionally, pain compliance techniques are not likely to be effective as ExDS subjects are often impervious to pain. Because prolonged struggle increases the chance of sudden death, officers should focus on the quickest possible restraint followed by sedation by EMS personnel. When subjects don’t respond to stimuli, officers should concentrate on restraint without using large muscle groups, which minimizes the buildup of lactic acid, decreasing the risk of potential cardiac arrest. Using repeated distraction strikes or a TASER device in drive stun mode will likely not produce much impact or benefit. Clinically, TASER device use is not likely to subdue and should the subject experience sudden cardiac arrest during the struggle, the use of multiple energy cycles will likely come under scrutiny.

4. Officers can and must learn to recognize the signs and symptoms of ExDS.

Research points to the following characteristics that can help officers identify potential ExDS subjects:

Subjects are overwhelmingly male, around age 30. although with the use of synthetic drugs the age can vary drastically.
Subjects often have an elevated body temperature, sometimes reaching 108o Many times, subjects are found to be partially clothed or naked and this is likely an attempt to cool off.
Other clinical symptoms include elevated heart rate, profuse sweating, skin flushing, shaking or shivering, which are likely due to the elevated body temperature.
Subjects may have acute drug intoxication. There is a strong association between ExDS and cocaine, methamphetamine, PCP, and synthetic drugs. The previously referenced study showed that nearly 89% of ExDS cases were perceived to be under the influence of drugs and alcohol. It is important officers recognize behavioral signs and follow their instincts if they perceive the subject is acting different than the “usual drunk.”
Many subjects run into or at traffic. This strong association, especially at night, is due to headlights and windshield reflections because ExDS subjects often have an aversion to objects that are reflective in nature, although the reason is unknown.

ALSO: https://emdaily.cooperhealth.o...ome-and-sudden-death

https://hotair.com/archives/ed...ime-gun-buyers-2020/

At the beginning of June, the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) announced that more than 2.5 million people had become first-time gun owners in the first half of 2020.

January to June 1 of 2020, was “unlike any other year for firearm purchases — particularly by first-time buyers — as new NSSF research reveals millions of people chose to purchase their first gun during the COVID-19 pandemic,” said Jim Curcuruto, the shooting foundation’s director of research and market development, at the time.

NSSF data show a record number of gun transactions – 10.3 million – were processed in the country during that time period.

“First off,” Curcuruto wrote in a July 21 blog post, “approximately 90 percent of retailers reported an increase in firearm and ammunition sales during the first half of 2020 versus the first half of 2019. How big are those increases? Responding retailers noted that they are seeing a 95 percent increase in firearm sales and a 139 percent increase in ammunition sales over the same period in 2019.”

We’ve seen this reported anecdotally and locally before now, particularly in Minneapolis in the immediate aftermath of the riots. Local residents wondered whether they would shortly see “World War II” in the streets of the Twin Cities, and thus far have pretty much been proven prescient. The city council’s response to the explosion of violent crime and robberies has been to tell residents to cooperate with criminals while the council comes up with a way to get rid of the police.

The rising crime levels across the country, as detailed in the Wall Street Journal’s study earlier today, no doubt has convinced many other previously reluctant Americans to exercise their right to self-defense. In the bigger cities especially, a retreat by police — fueled by local politicians’ pandering on #DefundthePolice — has made it clear that government is less interested in public safety than they are in pandering to outrage mobs. That means more and more Americans will either decide to be victims-in-waiting by default, or at least having the option to defend themselves if they so choose.

That means that more and more American voters will have a personal investment in the gun-control debate, too. How will that shape the debate and the agenda? Let’s just say that the same progressives that have pushed gun control for decades might suddenly realize that they’ve painted themselves into a corner by demanding the defunding of police — that they claim had the only legitimate claim on firearms to “defend” citizens. That circle could never be squared anyway, but that claim will ring particularly hollow after this year’s riots over law enforcement. A whole lot more Americans are personally experiencing the necessity of the Second Amendment in 2020, and that will resonate for decades.

With all these new gun owners, Democrats who are trying to push new gun control laws are swimming upstream. I imagine since people who were otherwise indifferent to firearm ownership now clearly see the real value of being armed, this will work against the Dems at the ballot box.

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ExDS

That is NOT a diagnosis but a clinical description of behavior associated with brain tumors, excessive use of meth etc. It could be associated with a high fever and is often present when patients come off a ventilator.

^^^^^
That is definitely a bright light coming out of this new world of rioting.

Nobody likes to have things taken away from them by the Government regardless of political party.

The higher the number of guns sold the higher number of liberals which will be rethinking their political position and likely move toward conservative thought.

The Defund Police movement took a major hit recently, and ironically it occurred at a protest where Defund Police was one of the platforms. The details continue to muddy, however what we know is that at a protest in Austin Texas, Daniel Perry shot and killed Garrett Foster. Foster approached a vehicle occupied by Perry. Foster was armed with an AK-47. The details of the shooting, while important in some circles, can be set aside for a moment of discussion on a different point.

The idea that we should Defund or in some arguments completely Disband, police has gained traction with a very small, but extremely vocal minority. But many members of the same group, are undermining the efforts.

Let’s take a look at this single, but, not exclusive, example.

Following the killing of Foster, police did what cops do. They restored order and began an investigation of the facts. Protesters did what supporters of Law Enforcement do. They cooperated. Not only did they cooperate, they rushed forward to give statements. They also provided video evidence. And to take it a step further, many of the protesters demanded the police take action. They are relying on the cops, courts, and the very system they want to dismantle, to bring them that which they do not have the power to obtain. Justice.

I can compare the protesters behavior with a different group. Criminal street gang members. I spent a fair bit of time with this unique group of people. It can be argued effectively that few groups in Urban America are more likely to be victims of violent crime. I cannot count how many times I responded to a hospital for a victim of violent assault only to learn the victim was a gang member. And without exception the victim did what people who truly forsake cops do. They refused to cooperate. They would either feign lack of recall (“I don’t remember getting stabbed”) or lie about the time, place and circumstances to send cops on a wild goose chase. Chicago can give us relevant and up to date examples. Roughly 4 out of 5 homicides in Chicago go unsolved. The cops there are not incompetent. I’ve met some of them and they are very good at their jobs. But physical evidence only goes so far. Victim and witness statements are crucial to making a prosecutable case. But the gang members have zero use for cops. They will seek retaliation. Not professional interference.

Our protesters have no such street cred. The protesters lack either the mindset, or discipline to forego any police involvement. To the credit of the protesters, they have not been immersed in the world of criminal street gangs, where cops are speed bumps not useful tools in an organized and safe democracy. The gangs survive by attempting a monopoly on force. Those calling for Defunding and Disbanding police do not yet have such a monopoly. They aren’t even close.

The Perry/Foster incident revels this in spades. Foster professed in a pre-incident video to feeling like he had a show of force and was unconcerned about retaliation except by that of cops. Perry didn’t get the word. Perry felt he was confronted by unlawful force and did what many Americans are well equipped to do. Perry’s next action was also what many Americans are well equipped to do. Perry sought out cops and brought them into the conversation.

This isn’t the only such incident. A quick perusal of the internet gives us many new examples of protesters being struck by vehicles as they attempt to control traffic and impose their will on motorists. The proper response by motorists is a topic for another day. The salient points here are what occurs after a protester gets struck by a vehicle. They call for cops. They call for medics. They reach out to societal functions that are the result of years of societal evolution. Disbanding and Defunding the cops may very well be an evolutionary step backwards. And it seems that when the shit hits the fan, victims without years of practice like our gang members, will default to our cops for resolution, investigations, restoration of safety, and sometimes just emotional hand holding.

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Originally posted by sigalert:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
Looks like they were being very professional in dealing with him and trying to get him into the police car.

This. The officers were even calming in the way they handled Floyd.

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He kept claiming he was claustrophobic.
And it's likely the officers thought he was just making up excuses.

Total horseshit given he was just sitting in the front seat of his own auto without being claustrophobic. I'm going with the officers on this one.

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Looks like manslaughter though negligence and failure to provide care, if that.

Sorry, that's not on the table. That Minnesota moron Keith Ellison has charged the officer involved with 1st degree murder to placate the mob, which they will never be able to prove.

Actually, I think it’s 2nd degree manslaughter. And Second degree murder.

Could have sworn I saw Ellison grandstanding over a 1st degree murder charge, but you may be right. Regardless, no jury is going to convict on a murder one or two charge. The evidence and circumstances just will not support those charges. Personally, after watching the videos included above, I can't see the primary officer being convicted of anything, so get ready for the riots and fires when that comes out.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
With all these new gun owners, Democrats who are trying to push new gun control laws are swimming upstream. I imagine since people who were otherwise indifferent to firearm ownership now clearly see the real value of being armed, this will work against the Dems at the ballot box.

Yep, and interestingly, given the volume of sales, a large number of those sales were actually to 'DEMs'. So how do those folks who for the first time in their lives purchased a firearm given current conditions reconcile voting for candidates who are actually advocating for the individuals they purchased firearms to protect themselves from? Wonder if the Dem's have given that a moments thought.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
With all these new gun owners, Democrats who are trying to push new gun control laws are swimming upstream. I imagine since people who were otherwise indifferent to firearm ownership now clearly see the real value of being armed, this will work against the Dems at the ballot box.

Yep, and interestingly, given the volume of sales, a large number of those sales were actually to 'DEMs'. So how do those folks who for the first time in their lives purchased a firearm given current conditions reconcile voting for candidates who are actually advocating for the individuals they purchased firearms to protect themselves from? Wonder if the Dem's have given that a moments thought.

Following the pattern of most liberals, it will be "guns for me but not for thee".

It's not that simple. A lot of apolitical people are suddenly gun owners. You can't apply platitudes to this.

We are supposed.to breathe through the esophagus?

I've been doing it wrong.

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If Chauvin's knee cut off Floyd's air supply, the pressure would have broken the esophageal cartilage. This is a 100% certainty.

Place your thumb and index on your esophagus. Press backward into your neck. When you get as far back as you can comfortably push, lock your fingers, pull them out and look how big your esophagus actually is.

You don't collapse the esophagus to the point of cutting off air flow without breaking the cartilage.

In a forensic autopsy, the pathologist examines the esophagus in place, then removes the entire esophagus and cuts the entire length open and examines the inside. Floyd's neck and esophagus did not have any traum"

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We are supposed.to breathe through the esophagus?

I've been doing it wrong.

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If Chauvin's knee cut off Floyd's air supply, the pressure would have broken the esophageal cartilage. This is a 100% certainty.

Place your thumb and index on your esophagus. Press backward into your neck. When you get as far back as you can comfortably push, lock your fingers, pull them out and look how big your esophagus actually is.

You don't collapse the esophagus to the point of cutting off air flow without breaking the cartilage.

In a forensic autopsy, the pathologist examines the esophagus in place, then removes the entire esophagus and cuts the entire length open and examines the inside. Floyd's neck and esophagus did not have any traum"

Let me gaze into my liberal crystal ball and see what the game plan will be here. My bet, the prosecutor will accuse the cops of terrifying Floyd to the point of a heart attack (Floyd's health conditions will support that BS), with the cops also accused of being so insensitive, racist, and hateful they didn't listen to Floyd's pleas and get him medical attention. Fortunately the tape we've all now seen doesn't support that at all. I see virtually no other options short of calling the autopsy report a complete white wash, but I don't think that wins the prosecutor much in court either. In the end, the cops lose their jobs but none of them spends a day in jail...and the city burns again.

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...In the end, the cops lose their jobs but none of them spends a day in jail...and the city burns again.

A very real possibility.


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A lot of first time buyers are experiencing crazy firearm purchasing laws as well. Article below.


Virus-Panicked Liberal Gun Buyers Are Getting Angry When They Discover Their Own Gun Control Laws

I was chatting with a friend of mine recently and the topic of gun sales came up. My friend’s father owns a gun range near me and she said he’s seen a huge amount of liberals coming in to purchase weapons in recent weeks.

How does he know they’re liberals?

“They’re shocked to discover they can’t just walk out of the store with a gun.”

We’ve all heard about gun sales skyrocketing recently, but I hadn’t considered some of the tangential effects of the phenomenon until I spoke to my friend. Not only are many liberals suddenly learning to love their Second Amendment rights, many of them are finding out that the gun control narrative in this country — as repeated loudly and often by Hollywood and the mainstream media — is a complete lie.

So, I contacted my friend’s father to ask about what he is seeing personally at his own range these days. Gregg Bouslog runs On-Target Indoor Shooting Range in Laguna Niguel, CA. It’s where I taught my son to shoot and where I’ll teach my daughter once the chaos lifts. He says that while others are stuck at home while the economy grinds to a halt, he’s been working nonstop at the range as the applications for background checks and permits are stacking up daily. Bouslog claims he hasn’t done business like this since the days of Obama.

As the owner of an indoor shooting range and gun store here in California these past 14 years we have never experienced such a huge demand for firearms and ammunition – even higher than the famous Obama rush of 2012/2013.

While it’s nice to see some businesses flourishing in these scary times, Bouslog says that safety has been a huge issue at the range, as many first-time buyers seem to have gotten all of their notions about guns and gun safety from television.

We tried to look at just who the new firearm purchasers were and we believe that more than 60% of these individuals were first time buyers. I can’t describe the amount of fear in my staff as we had the buyers show proof of safe handling as part of the purchase process as required by law. You have never seen so many barrels pointed at sales staff and other customers. It was truly frightening. We had to keep stopping the process to give quick safety lessons. We are adding many more basic classes in the coming weeks and encouraged these buyers to please attend. We hope they do.

This isn’t hard to believe. As a gun-owner who formerly abhorred the Second Amendment, I can personally testify to the fact that most people who believe they are anti-gun are actually just anti-stupid. They just don’t realize they’re projecting their own stupidity onto law-abiding gun owners. They imagine that we gun owners are just a bunch of yahoos out here combing our mullets, waving our guns around to look sexy while we look for anything or anyone to shoot at any time. They have no respect for the power of a weapon and treat them accordingly, which is what Bouslog is witnessing firsthand at his range. We gun owners, of course, take safety, care and precautions quite seriously. These are ingrained in the culture of gun ownership.

While the safety of the employees at the range is a very serious matter, the most amusing and annoying part for the staff has been watching these first-time buyers discover just how stringent gun laws in California really are, including one of our newest laws requiring background checks before buying ammunition. Bouslog says it’s a bridge too far for the people who have been told their whole lives that it’s easier to get a gun than an abortion.

More than a dozen of these buyers (men and women) actually thought that since they filled out and signed everything, they could just walk out and go home with the firearm. Several actually said they saw how easy it was to buy a gun on TV and why did they have to fill out all these forms.

The majority of these first timers lost their minds when we went through the Ammo Law requirements. Most used language not normally heard, even in a gun range. We pointed out that since no one working here voted for these laws, then maybe they might know someone who did. And, maybe they should go back and talk to those people and tell them to re-think their position on firearms – we were trying to be nice.

Most were VERY vocal about why it takes 10 days minimum (sometimes longer if the DOJ is backed up) to take their property home with them. They ask why do I need to wait 10 days if I need the protection today or tomorrow? We pointed out again that no one working here voted in support of that law.

They really went crazy when we told them that for each firearm they had to do the same amount of paperwork and they could only purchase ONE handgun every 30 days. Again, we didn’t [vote] for that law.

We had people cuss at us and stomp out when we explained that secondary identification had to be part of the paperwork, as they felt insulted that what they had wasn’t good enough. We have a number of Yelp reviews calling us names and other things about how bad we are because of this whole new buyer rush

Again, I truly hope for the safety of those range employees in the face of so many uninformed and incurious first-time buyers. That being said, I find this whole situation fascinating. So many things in our economy and way of life are shifting monumentally these days. Could the gun control battle be one of them?

I discovered the idiocy of my anti-gun beliefs once I decided to learn about them firsthand. The Hollywood mystique immediately fell away and I was imbued with a new respect for weaponry and the people who dedicate their lives to weapons safety and serving and protecting the Second Amendment. You can’t know how bonkers our gun control laws are until you go try to buy one yourself.

There are a lot of people like me out there right now — first-timers and Second Amendment haters who feel like a hypocrite for wanting a gun for protection. Like I did, now they are navigating our convoluted gun laws for themselves and discovering that it is just not possible to walk into a store, buy a gun and leave with it in your pocket.

As these revelations begin to spread among our liberal brethren in the state of California, will we see a shift in gun laws and support for anti-Second Amendment legislators? Only time will tell, but it will surely be an interesting question to ponder in the coming months and years.

https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/04/10/815520/

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
how do those folks who for the first time in their lives purchased a firearm given current conditions reconcile voting for candidates who are actually advocating for the individuals they purchased firearms to protect themselves from?

I think that reconciliation -- in their minds -- will be fairly simple: "Well, I can have this, but I don't want every other yay-hoo out there having one." Another iteration of "rules for thee but not for me," I believe.