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Originally posted by chellim1:
2. Do nothing. Eventually the rioters will tire and exhaust themselves.

Obviously, the leftist mayors of these cities have chosen path #2 which allows for the destruction of their cities before the rioters will tire and exhaust themselves.

But I son't think that's it at all. The mayors to which you refer don't care if the rioting and chaos ever stops, hence Portland being on fire for almost two months now with no end in sight. The mantra is, if it hurts DJT and his re-election campaign we're all in regardless the damage it inflicts on the city, its businesses, and its residents. Mayors like Wheeler in Portland need to be drug out onto the street by the residents of Portland, tied to a street sign, and berated mercilessly and told never to come back.

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The mayors to which you refer don't care if the rioting and chaos ever stops, hence Portland being on fire for almost two months now with no end in sight. The mantra is, if it hurts DJT and his re-election campaign we're all in regardless the damage it inflicts on the city, its businesses, and its residents.

Yes, that's true. They see the protests and rioting as useful to the cause with which they agree: getting rid of Trump.

Which is why they have chosen path #2 which allows for the destruction of their cities before the rioters will tire and exhaust themselves. The more destruction the better.

Bigdeal,
EXACTLY! I have no idea what what possesses some of these elected officials to be sooo willing to commit suicide (in the proverbial sense) just to shove it in the face of DJT.
"I'm going to ruin my stuff just to show you!"

Like I said in a earlier post here, I'm at the end of the road here, I've got at the most, 5 years left. I'm gone. I'm putting the Sears Tower in my rear view, and never coming back.
Now is the time I'm looking, watching the local news in places in Texas, Tennessee, Arizona, Utah, Wyoming... Places where there's no protests at all. No chance of seeing a Liberal for at least 2 states.

I hoped for better from SLC suburbs.

I wouldn't bet on AZ in five years. We're purple now. To many people leaving the blue states and coming here only to press change in AZ to the blue philosophy. There have been protests in a few cities of AZ already.

I wish there was a permanent red state that we could set our sights on...

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Originally posted by Greymann:
https://www.cabq.gov/office-of...tests-demonstrations

Albuquerque is trying to be protest
friendly. Albuquerque has a new
" No Gun Zones" pretty much anything owned by the city. Areas called "sensitive" like parks, ball field, buildings have a no weapons allowed law.
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Interesting that the city is using the state statute on weapon prohibition on public schools and university grounds to declare any public property where a school activity can take place to be a weapons free zone. So if any public property has had or could have an educational activity no weapons allowed. Just a short hop and skip to taking this to include state and national parks, forests, and probably private land. No wonder the governor wont denounce the protests but lectures on political campaigning at the protest sites.

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Originally posted by chellim1:...
The irony is that in China people are protesting communism because they want freedom.
Here in the USA, people are protesting freedom and capitalism because they want communism.

Seems to me most who want "communism" are aiming for "equality", defacto wealth distribution. Not equal "rights", but equal "outcomes". And they feel their demand for equality supersedes the rule of law. They don't realize reality of socialism. A safety net (wealth distribution) becomes a hammock which then becomes a straight jacket. Venezuela?

I seriously doubt that few protesters/rioters have studied the negative effects of socialism in other countries. Crazy bernie and his comrades made the whole idea of wealth distribution and free everything sound so good.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I hoped for better from SLC suburbs.

Things will get interesting. When you Google Cottonwood Heights you will see Twitter posts about a protest at city hall tonight to "show them". You will also see posts from a local group that is going to be armed and surround the building to support the officers. Something tells me the protesters won't want any of that.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

Seems to me most who want "communism" are aiming for "equality", defacto wealth distribution.
Not equal "rights", but equal "outcomes".

Exactly, as Rush puts it " It's hard to compete with Santa Claus."
Competing with Free Shit is difficult.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
I seriously doubt that few protesters/rioters have studied the negative effects of socialism in other countries. Crazy bernie and his comrades made the whole idea of wealth distribution and free everything sound so good.

"Name a reason why Communism/Socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried."

#1 answer on the board (per American progressives): "But that wasn't true Communism/Socialism!"

Yes, that's right, the "No True Scotsman" (Appeal to Purity) fallacy applied to politico-economics, courtesy of our higher education system.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I hoped for better from SLC suburbs.

Things will get interesting. When you Google Cottonwood Heights you will see Twitter posts about a protest at city hall tonight to "show them". You will also see posts from a local group that is going to be armed and surround the building to support the officers. Something tells me the protesters won't want any of that.

I think the Coeur d'Alene Idaho response model would be nice. Meet the tantrum with overwhelming parental force. Take no excrement.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...isbands-police-unit/

The police bureau of Portland, Oregon, did away with their Gun Violence Reduction Team following budget cuts by the city council, and witnessed the highest number of murders in one month than has been seen in over 30 years.

Breitbart News reported that there were 15 murders in Portland during July 2020, the most for a single month in over three decades.

And the Oregonian reported there were 63 shootings in Portland in July 2020, versus 28 for the same month in 2019.

This surge in violence and death correlated with the July 1, 2020, elimination of Portland police bureau’s Gun Violence Reduction Team, which Chief of Police Chuck Lovell said “the bureau was forced to cut…at the direction of the City Council.”

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler (D) made clear his plan to disband the special anti-gun violence unit on June 9.

“We need to fundamentally change the police bureau and how we interact with police in our daily lives,” Wheeler said, according to KPTV

“I am hearing loudly and clearly from demonstrators that they want fundamental reform. I am hearing loudly and clearly from demonstrators that they want us to completely reimagine the way that we think about public safety in our community,” Wheeler added. “And I believe these reforms, combined with the resources that I’ve proposed we send out into the community, I believe those things work together to live up to the promise of that reimagination.”

In New York City, the NYPD’s Plain Clothes Anti-Crime Unit was disbanded June 15, 2020, and the New York Post reported that the week ended with “28 [shooting] incidents and 38 victims.”

On June 29, 2020, Breitbart News reported more than 110 people had been shot during a nine-day period in NYC. Just over a month later, Breitbart News reported that there had been more shootings in NYC from January 1, 2020, through August 1, 2020, than there had been in all of 2019.


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is this the dumbest movement ever to "save" lives ?

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Originally posted by jrhillma:

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Originally posted by az4783054:
I seriously doubt that few protesters/rioters have studied the negative effects of socialism in other countries. Crazy bernie and his comrades made the whole idea of wealth distribution and free everything sound so good.

"Name a reason why Communism/Socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried."

#1 answer on the board (per American progressives): "But that wasn't true Communism/Socialism!"

Yes, that's right, the "No True Scotsman" (Appeal to Purity) fallacy applied to politico-economics, courtesy of our higher education system.

As I understand, Orwell was pro-communism until he saw the reality of Stalin, which was the motivation behind Animal Farm, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal. Those running the show in socialism quickly realize the pleasures of a dictatorship, and sell it under the guise of "for the people".

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“And I believe these reforms, combined with the resources that I’ve proposed we send out into the community, I believe those things work together to live up to the promise of that reimagination.”

"Imagineering" may have made millions for Disney, but Disney's in the entertainment buisness. I guess Wheeler thinks she's in the entertainment buisness now?

Remember the guy who was arrested for throwng the fireworks device, and got caught because of his vest ?

https://jonathanturley.org/202...-in-portland-attack/

We have been discussing the criminal cases emerging from incidents of rioting or arson around the country over these weeks of protest. One case out of Oregon however seems to capture the divisions in the country. Gabriel “Rico” Agard-Berryhill, 18, has been charged with throwing an explosive device. The primary witness against him is his grandmother, Karla Fox, 69, who is also a Trump supporter. What is most notable is the defense that Agard-Berryhill has raised, which is similar to the one used by Samantha Shader in New York. There is also an interesting twist on the basis for a potential obstruction or attempt destruction of evidence charge.

Fox recognized her grandson from television coverage showing the throwing of what police say was a makeshift bomb at the federal Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland. The reason is that he was wearing an olive vest with word “ICONS” that she bought for him. While she supports Trump, she wanted to protect him after he was hit by rubber bullets. She even posted a rave review of the vest online with the clothing site Hibbett: “I got this for my grandson who’s a protester downtown, he uses it every night and says it does the job.”

That is the review that Fox said her grandson later asked her to delete. That would seem an effort to destroy possibly incriminating evidence. It turned out that the grandmother was already going public with her identification.

Posting as “@TRUMPSGIRL2020,” Fox tweeted in response to the photo from protest: “This is my only grandson, I love him to death, and didn’t know he was going to do such a bad thing, I had been posting several things about the antifa and BLM, he knows I am against those riots bigtime … he chose his poison.”

In the meantime, Agard-Berryhill (who turned himself in) seemed to admit that he threw the device and also set a record for the use of the word “allegedly”: “The device I’ve been accused of allegedly throwing was allegedly given to me by an unknown protestor with full face coverings. I was allegedly told that it was a strobe firework that wouldn’t damage the building or harm anyone around it. Law enforcement has not contacted me for any alleged crime as of right now.” He told police that he was told to throw had “yellow cardboard packaging with blue stripes, was the size of a small ‘V8’ can, and had a green fuse.”

That is a familiar defense. Shader reportedly blamed three African Americans with giving her the Molotov cocktail that she used to torch a police vehicle in New York.

Fox’s rave review of the vest in prominently quoted in the charging documents. She said that her grandson said that he was engaged in peaceful protests. He was shown protecting a naked woman during the protests.

Agard-Berryhill is not only looking at a federal charge of arson but he was on probation for a felony conviction when he was a minor after spending the past two years at Rogue Valley Youth Correctional Facility in southern Oregon.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Agard-Berryhill is not only looking at a federal charge of arson but he was on probation for a felony conviction when he was a minor after spending the past two years at Rogue Valley Youth Correctional Facility in southern Oregon.

I would wager a healthy amount, that a significant portion of those participants have records of petty crime and anti-social behavior. Going to a 'protest' that devolves into a riot, isn't the first time most of them have done such activity.

a reasonable prosecutor and refusal to let the mob block a street

https://www.redstate.com/nick-...ers-who-block-roads/

in the first video at the link, most of the action is over after 3 minutes

the second video walks thru the arrests and the charges

Between Friday and Saturday they arrested 17 people for charges that included disorderly conduct, mob action, aggravated battery to a peace officer and resisting arrest. Two sheriff’s deputies were injured according to the local sheriff of Winnebago County.

But perhaps the best thing was the statement of the prosecutor, Winnebago County State’s Attorney Marilyn Hite Ross, who schooled the radicals on what the Constitution allows and what it means to “peaceably assemble.”

“The First Amendment does not give you unbridled freedom to express your message and infringe on the rights of others,” she explained.

My gosh, thank you! Finally a public official willing to say it on behalf of all Americans! Your rights don’t give you the right to trample on those of others.

The prosecutor continued, calmly calling out the BLM marchers for infringing on the rights of others to have free passage on the roads within the county. That resulted in their arrest, not for exercising their right of freedom of expression, she said, but for their alleged criminal action. So simple, so true, yet so missing from public statements on the BLM tactics. Thank you, Marilyn Hite Ross!

She then detailed all the people who were arrested, a lovely crew of people.

They tried to surround a car with a mother and kids. One man was arrested and then others tried to de-arrest him, that’s what resulted in many of the arrests.

One remaining coda to the story, the one bad note from the story? A local Democratic (of course) politician,, former Illinois Rep. Litesa Wallace raised money to help bond out those arrested Friday night.

corsair, you could easily be right but I'm not sure that you are. I've seen footage of 11 year old white kids from the suburbs looting during this mess.

My WAG, for what little it may be worth, is that "Rico's" case is just another example of "stupid people tend to get caught".

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a reasonable prosecutor and refusal to let the mob block a street

Outstanding! Protest all you want, commit crimes, get arrested. That's how America works.

My seventh grade civics teacher (one of the best teachers I've ever had), used to say this quote often - "The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." As long as they peacefully assemble and break no laws they should be allowed to do so, no matter their message. The second you infringe on others rights, destroy property, or harm other individuals you go straight to jail and do not collect $200.