A $150 Gammo pellet gun with included optics that's zeroed will surely break a glass bottle from 25yrds or so, but let's not get mired in those details. It will vary, by situation.

The real point is, if a group of people are threatening you and one+ of them are holding lit Molotov Cocktails, aiming for the cocktail itself and spreading that warm fiery love between them and their friends is a very valid option.

I don't think I would even let them throw it, maybe not even cock their arm... I mean, really, once they go to light the damn thing they're a very dangerous person with a lit explosive intent on doing harm, in lay terms. Is this even arguable, reasonably?

Are there any specific legal precedents regarding self defense against them, in America?

Right? It's a fucking fire bomb that spreads on contact. That's not the time to fuck around.

It definitely wouldn't work in all scenarios, or necessarily be easy, but it's a valid and useful option, IMO.

Maybe one of those Baseball batting practice machines that throw baseballs at a good clip... or PaintBall maybe? Something less than a normal firearm projectile but enough to break the glass at distance, with accuracy.

A broomstick, even, in a pinch. Reach out and touch someone.

Yes, it's from Vox, but take a look:



CA, OR, WA, NV, CO, VT, NJ, DC all voted for Hillary in 2016. I don't think anyone expects Trump to win any of them this year.

The only state with Universal mail in voting that Trump won in 2016 is Utah. But he won 45.1% to 27.2%, and the rest to alternates. The only place he didn't carry is Salt Lake City. So no matter how much mail-in fraud there is, it is unlikely to change the electoral vote. The only possibility is Utah which seems really unlikely they could swing it that far.

All the rest of the states you have to request a mail in ballot. I'm not sure if that will result in any substantial fraud (any more than usual).

But I think the plan is to do like others said - for Biden to get a significant popular vote margin even if Trump wins the electoral vote. This will be used to continue to de-legitimize Trump and make demands to abolish the electoral college, which could be an issue for 2024, but not this year.

^^^ Insanity. High Schools wouldn't even dare perform student elections in such a way and trust the results.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
^^^ Insanity. High Schools wouldn't even dare perform student elections in such a way and trust the results.

Unless the green states with "by request" mail in votes are susceptible to significant fraud, I don't think the electoral vote will be significantly affected. This is not that different than normal absentee voting, except the justification is looser in the dark green states.

I suppose a lot of dems could request ballots and double vote, but I don't think that is likely on a large scale, except for the real militants.

Rather than be doom-and-gloom-y, it's simply important to remember how thin the election margins historically are and likely will be. It is folly to think it will require some ginormous effort, it's almost always decided by 5% margins or less, and much thinner in some places.

It's a very real threat-vector for this election, by design. We are under attack in this regard, it seems.

I suspect there's a multi-pronged but related approach happening here:

* sow discontent regarding the integrity of the election itself (ongoing).
* project onto the Right the idea that we wouldn't honor a legitimate loss (ongoing).
* capitalize on Covid fears to protect legitimacy of an unprecedented number of mail-ins (ongoing).
* set the stage for a contested election in advance (ongoing).
* etc

They're telegraphing the gambit, I think.

I hope it's bluster, or certainly unsuccessful.

Short of 1:1 vote verification, after the fact, it appears to be an enormous hole in the system.

A few thousand extras here and there... one contensted court case that goes their way, just one State flips, one extra month to send more in, etc, this, I think, is their only actual path to the WhiteHouse. I am confident Trump is set to be reelected, potential fraud aside. I hope it is being monitored carefully.

Let's get back to the subject of this thread, please. If you want to talk about elections, there are other ongoing threads for that.

The FBI has been conducting a lot of investigations in the Portland-area. More federal arrests of people who allegedly participated in #antifa riots have occurred. Photos and details coming soon. As per Andy Ngo.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/.../1303485532396109827

Cool/sorry. ^

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This is supposedly new footage from Belarus where the crowd reacts to a small group (8-12) of uniformed 'security officers' beating a dude. Those dudes are basically surrounded pretty quick. Running / skedaddling / tactically retreating sounds better and better, facing those odds. Wouldn't want to have to make a hole through that crowd to escape.

( Direct video link, not large. )

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Originally posted by 46and2:
The United States government will never let go of those assets, and should not. Bases, natural resources, fertile land in good climates, and on and on.

What if we just gave up L.A., San Francisco, Sacramento, etc.? It's the big cities that seem to ruin entire states.

I vote for Needles, California. Let them have Needles.

On the topic of molotovs, I think a shotgun makes a lot of sense. In the air it's basically skeet. In hand, you shoot it with a shotgun and the arsonist loses a hand and gets set on fire so win-win.

All kidding aside, I think the goal has to be to keep them from getting close enough to use a molotov. Once they're within 20 yards or so anyone can light and throw one and, at night especially, you won't be able to see the arsonists as well until the molotov is lit.

this one is especially weird

https://twitter.com/MarkDice/s.../1303177146391617536

video at link

These people seem to be getting off on being assholes

This is the kind of third world shithole behavior you get when you defund the police.

I seen that earlier today.
Isn't McD's getting sued by black owners for not doing well?

Secession by OR, CA and WA is pure Trump Derangement Syndrome Fantasy. The Feds would cut them off so many essential things, the leaders of such secession would be lynched by their own supporters.

The escalation in bringing in Vyacheslav Molotov to the party is disturbing, although entertaining at this stage.

BLM and Antifa need to keep harassing common folk, with videos thereof posted. Should bag the Presidency for President Donald J. Trump.

Nov.4 will more than likely lead to Trump Derangement Syndrome Overdoses, so shelter in place. Treat the date as you did 01/01/2000 and prepare. 01/01/2000 turned out to be fine. 11/04/2020?

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I vote for Needles, California. Let them have Needles.

I was thinking Barstow, but Needles would be okay.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
No secession talk should be entertained, besides which California in particular and their enormous economy, plus the westcoastline itself, is far, far too large and valuable.

The United States government will never let go of those assets, and should not. Bases, natural resources, fertile land in good climates, and on and on.

Don't get it twisted, as fucked up as California politics are, it's not going anywhere, especially in a world where our enemies to the West (CCP China) are unrelenting.

Yes, CA has a substantial economy, is a substantial focal point for trade with Asian nations, and has abundant natural resources. Yet I wonder, their politics support everything socialistic (which includes autocratic governments), which always involve corruption and will lead to defacto bankruptcy and demise. Many parts of San Francisco, Oakland, LA are becoming cesspools.

Living in CA for the past ~38 years, I wonder if/when CA will become a liability to the US rather than an asset.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
^^^ Insanity. High Schools wouldn't even dare perform student elections in such a way and trust the results.

If you don't know what it means, you need to understand "Vote Harvesting" aka "Ballot harvesting"

this is where so called 'volunteers' go door to door TO THOSE REGISTERED DEMOCRAT and collect ballots which were never mailed.

"Good afternoon, I can collect your ballot if you haven't mailed it yet."

I think anyone can see the issue here.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
I wonder if/when CA will become a liability to the US rather than an asset.

It won't matter. It really won't.

That coastline as a strategic asset, San Diego itself and the Naval infrastructure, Long Beach, etc.

Plus California grows almost 20% of America's Produce. We're never giving up those food supplies.

The rest is hyperbole and such. I like hyperbole, too.

We were asked to stay on topic. Let's.