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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Well... somebody was at his home in Belleville. His grass was cut, the flowers watered, etc. Weird.

Well he's married and has a kid, sooo...

... and they didn't care that he's been living out of a gym bag in Virginia for the last month?

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Originally posted by sooma:
Are members of Congress allowed to carry, nationally?

No, but one Congressman is proposing they allow it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer....ting/article/2625970

To sum it up.

This is the act of a desperate person, of a group of desperate people, who are led by a desperate party.

Desperate.


Make you bed, every morning.
Clean your rifle, every night.
Be ever vigilant.

I hope this is just normal post-op condition and he makes a full recovery.


https://apnews.com/8ea0fba74d2...witter&utm_medium=AP

No, I wouldn't think so. Sounds like they ran into some issues. He went into surgery in stable condition.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by sooma:
Are members of Congress allowed to carry, nationally?

No, but one Congressman is proposing they allow it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer....ting/article/2625970

I would much rather see concealed carry nationally for everyone. While this event was tragic, I do not believe that any person in our government is any more important than the rest of us. This would just create another law that only applies to the elites, and I don't like that!

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
To sum it up.

This is the act of a desperate person, of a group of desperate people, who are led by a desperate party.

Desperate.


Make you bed, every morning.
Clean your rifle, every night.
Be ever vigilant.

Right. Our side seems sometimes to forget, but their side never does: We are in power.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by sooma:
Are members of Congress allowed to carry, nationally?

No, but one Congressman is proposing they allow it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer....ting/article/2625970

Great idea. They should include every law abiding citizen in the legislation.


As if.

Shooter's letters to Belleville, Ill., newspaper focused on taxes

James Hodgkinson, the Belleville-area man accused of opening fire on congressmen Wednesday at a baseball practice in Virginia, was a prolific letter-writer to his hometown newspaper, The Belleville News-Democrat.

As in some of his recent social media posts, Hodgkinson's letters berate Republicans while asking for a fairer tax code. At one point, he writes: "I have never said 'life sucks,' only the policies of the Republicans."

The Belleville paper published at least eight letters over a nine-month period in 2012. Here are summaries and excerpts from those letters, according to the newspaper.

On Jan. 24, 2012, he wrote: "I believe to stimulate the economy, it is time to legalize or at least decriminalize marijuana use." He said he hopes the Obama administration can raise the income tax rate for the rich to 70 percent or more. "If a person has an annual income of more than $10 million, he should be proud to be an American and proud to live in a country that would allow this kind of income, and proud to pay his fair share of taxes," Hodgkinson wrote.

On April 18, 2012, he said the country needs to change the federal tax code. "We need more brackets to reach all classes of people." He said, "If we had anything close to the way our great leaders of the past set up the tax code, we could eliminate 90 percent of the country’s problems, pay down the debt and get the country back in the black in no time ... My motto is: 'Tax em like 1938.'” He ended is letter with this: "God bless the 99 percent."

On May 4, 2012, "I don’t envy the rich; I despise the way they have bought our politicians and twisted our laws to their benefit."

On May 25, 2012, he said, "It is a shame that Democrats won’t attack the Republicans over the minuscule and lopsided tax system with only six brackets, ranging from 10 percent to 35 percent. It looks like the super rich have bought their vote as well." He concluded his letter this way: "These guys are cheating everyone in this country while telling us all the time that they are broke when it is the super rich with all the money."

On July 8, 2012, he wrote in part: "I can’t believe how many people are upset with our president. You’d think that the world was full of rich millionaires. Why else would these people talk badly about a guy who has their best interest at heart?"

On July 29, 2012, he said “The Rachel Maddow Show” was his favorite show and cited a report that "17 very rich men are supplying the Republican Party with more than 60 percent of their campaign contributions." "These men are trying to buy our country," he wrote. "You know they expect something for all this money. That something is that Mitt Romney and a Republican Congress won’t raise their taxes. We all know that the rich don’t pay enough taxes."

On Aug. 17, 2012, he defended his support for President Obama. He said the choice is obvious. "I don’t want a president who won’t even keep his money in American banks. I don’t want a president who will lower taxes on the rich and raise them on the other 99 percent."

On Aug. 28, 2012, he said he wants everyone to know that income inequality was a factor in the causes of the Great Depression "as well as the greed of Secretary of Treasury Andrew Mellon under the Republican Presidents Harding, Coolidge and Hoover."

On Sept. 12, 2012, Hodgkinson mentioned a book by Robert B. Reich, "Aftershock," that explains how the lowering of taxes on the richest American was a major cause of the Great Depression.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/l...48-964468544c08.html

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Originally posted by PGT:
No, I wouldn't think so. Sounds like they ran into some issues. He went into surgery in stable condition.

I believe you can be in critical condition yet still stable.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by sooma:
Are members of Congress allowed to carry, nationally?

No, but one Congressman is proposing they allow it.

http://www.washingtonexaminer....ting/article/2625970

Actually Article One, Section 6 states:

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The Senators and Representatives ... shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

This has been interpreted to mean they cannot be arrested for a crime other than those enumerated during the period the Congress is in session. In short, a defacto get out of jail free card if they decide to carry or possess a firearm in DC. This was one reason a Jim Webb staffer got off for trying to take Webb's gun into the Capitol.

Link to story about incident

Link to story about outcome (charges dropped)

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by sooma:
A couple of questions: With so many threats coming from so many groups on the left, who is responsible for providing security for members of Congress? Would it be possible to provide a security detail for each one?

As it stands, only leadership of the parties have security and it's Capitol Police. It would cost a fair amount to add 1000+ security jobs.

I think they should consider security whenever there is a gathering of congressman such as this. I'm not sure if providing security to each and every congressman or congresswoman is necessarily appropriate or practical.

But when they are together in a large group? Certainly. It would seem prudent.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
... and they didn't care that he's been living out of a gym bag in Virginia for the last month?

He wouldn't be the first guy whose wife invited him to live out of a gym bag instead of in the family home.

Video from shooting at this link:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/...-opened-hank-berrien

(Couldn't find on Youtube to embed)

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Originally posted by mbinky:
So death threats are ok? Roger.

Maybe a parallel, a Silicon Valley college student newspaper did an op-ed piece after Ann Coulter cancelled her visit to UC Berkeley, due to promised violence by liberals. The op-ed piece noted that Coulter did have the right of free speech, regardless of how offensive her statements might be.

But the piece then stated that those who feel they have been "wronged" have a right to commit violence if they are offended by someones free speech, as violence may be the only means they have to attain their own "rights". Seems the same thought pattern as the shooter here.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by sooma:
A couple of questions: With so many threats coming from so many groups on the left, who is responsible for providing security for members of Congress? Would it be possible to provide a security detail for each one?

As it stands, only leadership of the parties have security and it's Capitol Police. It would cost a fair amount to add 1000+ security jobs.

I think they should consider security whenever there is a gathering of congressman such as this. I'm not sure if providing security to each and every congressman or congresswoman is necessarily appropriate or practical.

But when they are together in a large group? Certainly. It would seem prudent.

You really want to leave it up to these guys to define "gathering" or "group"?

As our least favorite president would have said, "let me be clear", were it not for the presence of the House Whip, there would have been no security at that ball field this morning.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Video from shooting at this link:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/...-opened-hank-berrien

(Couldn't find on Youtube to embed)

Pretty intense.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
Video from shooting at this link:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/...-opened-hank-berrien

(Couldn't find on Youtube to embed)

Pretty intense.

looks like it's gone now

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by Jimbo54:

Why in the hell would you think the female officer shot herself?! She is being credited with taking out the loser.

Jim

Some people think women can't use firearms effectively?

Her sex had nothing to do with my comment.

Being shot in the foot during a firefight just seemed odd.

Anyway, my assumption was likely wrong according to Sigmanic's post.

I suspect what happened was the shooters first shot was the most accurate after that everything was wild and his shot placement got out of control.

The Democrat Party bears a lot of responsibility for keeping their base in an uproar over fake news, false accusations, endless "investigations", and wild unsubstantiated claims by DEM politicians.