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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
The Canadians will get them out

they did it before, they will do it again

or more likely European countries will go in and get them - just one more example of how far we've fallen under democrat rule

What about Israel SF?? Would they get involved?

Prince said weapons and military vehicles the Pentagon abandoned in Afghanistan have been acquired by the Taliban, Iran, and others. Breitbart News could not independently verify this claim.

He stated, “Hundreds of thousands of small arms, artillery machine guns, high-precision brand new drones still in the package — these are eight- and twelve-hour surveillance drones that go for $3 million a piece — hundreds of aircraft — fixed-wing and helicopters — including laser-guided bombs laser-guided rockets, some pretty capable stuff, much of which has already shipped on to Iran or sold off.”

https://www.breitbart.com/asia...n-should-buy-nukes/#

Possibly beats Clinton giving ICBM tech to the Chinese

Like many here, I served with pride for 20+ years with the USAF. I lived through the bullshit of whatever they wanted to call Affirmative Action, and I saw many truly unqualified individuals get promoted over more qualified ones only for the sole reason of skin color/ethnic heritage, and squares had to be checked. I said to others that “Political Correctness” was going to get people killed, and it did at Fort Hood.

Kurt Schlichter has pretty much prophesied what’s eventually going to happen in his Kelly Turnbull books. He prefaces each book saying the books are warnings of what might happen, which he hopes it doesn’t. No one wants to see them come to reality, but I’m afraid that is the road upon which we are now headed, especially with the fools that are now in both military and civilian leadership positions of this country.


Here’s Kurt Schlichter’s Monday column.

https://townhall.com/columnist...a-woke-joke-n2594151

Our Military Is A Woke Joke

Ignore those pictures of the Afghan army that our military senior leader geniuses spent 20 years and zillions of dollars on disintegrating in the face of a pack of glorified mountain banditos from the Seventh Century – the real story is that, finally, America’s fighting men and women are fully aware of the urgency of accepting and validating the trans experience. And it's even better if said trans people are BIPOC. Plus differently abled.

Our broke, woke armed forces would be a hysterically funny punchline if the joke wasn’t, “The greatest military in human history walks into a bar, puts down trillions of dollars and buckets of American blood, and asks the bartender, ‘So, what would it look like if all the generals and admirals sucked-up to the garbage establishment that has totally failed the people of the USA?’”

Yes, it is a joke, a sick one. Fire all the generals. Invite a few back, maybe a dozen. Clean out the Pentagon. Can all the “Diversity Consultants,” “Equal Opportunity Officers,” “Climate Change Mitigation Specialists,” and every other strap-hanging oxygen thief who doesn’t contribute to the only thing the military should be focusing on right now – putting Chi Coms in graves.

Yeah, there’s been a strategic failure of epic proportions by our civilian establishment. We need to fix that at the ballot box by tossing out every Democrat and every Liz Cheney-esque combat tourist who delights in sending our young people overseas to get ground up in idiotic wars designed to enrich their cronies. Hardest hit at the end of Afghanistan: Haliburton, Raytheon, KBR, and a hundred other contractors you never heard of. Oh, and the Afghan people, but they never really figured into this calculus except in the abstract idea that we were going to convert a nation of savages into Lil’ Vermonters living the Norman Rockwell dream of community democracy.

Twenty years of failure. Twenty years. How far and fast we fell. I was there thirty years ago, in VII Corps main, contributing my car washing skills, when the greatest military force in human history annihilated a country’s entire army in 100 hours and barely broke a sweat doing it. Amazingly, we did it without giving a single thought to our alleged privilege – to the extent cracking over reeking half-barrels in wooden outhouses in the middle of the desert constituted privilege.

Look at us now. Look at the generals, in their stupid throwback uniforms from the Forties that are supposed to make the gender studies seminar we call the US Army think it’s the same force that broke Hitler. It’s not. A serious organization does not alternate its designation of America’s most serious threat between the weather, “racism,” and other Americans who dissent from the generals’ bosses’ political priorities.

The Navy is busy smashing ships into each other, or letting them burn, but it will tell you it’s the most effective, lethal fighting force ever. Baloney. It’s glided along on its WW2 legacy as well for going onto a century. It imagines that its glorious naval tradition is going to compensate for the fact that the Chinese are actually building combat-ready ships and learning how to use them. The Carthaginians were like that too – fat, smug, and eager to sacrifice their children to Moloch, just like our garbage elite. The Romans, who had no naval tradition, took one of their boats and copied it. Sound familiar? Then they built a navy. Also ring a bell? Then the Romans cleared the seas of Carthaginians and went on to rule the world for another 500+ years while Carthage’s field can still provide for all your sodium chloride needs.

By the time you read this missive, there will probably be little or no Afghanistan left unTalibanned – its capitals are getting grabbed up faster than the blueberry muffins at a Vindman family reunion. That guy represents everything wrong with our military and our elite – a mediocrity who stabbed his boss (and the American people) in the back by taking it upon himself to make foreign policy rather than help the guy elected to do so – is held up as an exemplar by our pathetic ruling caste. Recently, he posed (cringingly) with another disappointment who was tested and found wanting, the withered and wrinkly Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold the action hero is now just a grouchy old man with barely the virility to sex pester his maid anymore. That’s our military folks – the tough image hiding a pathetic reality. Like The Impregnator when he botched governing California, our military botches its one job when it fights anyone not willing to just roll over.

We saw the root cause when we watched those generals, bedecked in medals from their failed campaigns, sitting before Congress and defending their stupid reading lists consisting of the kind of stupid books that vapid, frigid Chardonnay junkies from Santa Monica read, not combat leaders. Move over, Sun Tzu – Henry “Ibram X. Kendi” Rogers has some insights into why the country you swore to die for sucks. That should motivate that 19-year old paratrooper from Omaha to take that hill! Thucydides, who we need more than ever right now, gets out of the way – here comes “Dr.” Robin DiAngelo to explain how everyone is racist, especially you. So wait, your job is to give your life…for racists?

No wonder we lose. We’re not a serious military. It’s now a jobs program for semi-employable field grade and flag officer failures to time-serve in until they can retire and get a sweet, sweet gig at Boeingrayheedynamics.

Who got fired for losing Afghanistan? No one (and don’t say David McKiernan, a solid officer who was politely asked to leave, not relieved, purely for show).

And no one ever will. Accountability, the garlic to the vampires of our failed ruling caste, is just as foreign to the American military leadership as it is to our civilian leaders.

We will lose the next foreign war, which will most likely be with China. Thousands of Americans will die when their ships go down to PRA hypersonic missiles, and, after much soul-searching, the members of our establishment will determine that the fault lies with everyone else but them – especially you.

But the next war will probably not be a foreign one. Our lousy general officer corps got the message – the new enemy du jour is us. The dissenters. The deplorables. The ones they expect to breed the next generation of soldiers for them to play with – why, you couldn’t expect young Kaden from the Upper West Side to choose to be one of those dirty Marines instead of going to Dartmouth!

But on the bright side, when they try to turn the American military on the American people (“Kurt, you’re being crazy again. Also, it’s good that unarmed conservative vet Ashli Babbit was shot for trespassing and I support the Australians sending their army to make sure every kangaroo jockey downunder has a towel wrapped around his Foster’s hole.”) don’t worry too much. There’s no reason to believe that whatever remains undeserted of the two million or so active and reserve troops we have now will be any more effective here in CONUS against 100 million armed patriots with a significant number of vets of America’s military from when it didn’t suck than it was against those patient tribesmen in the Hindu Kush.

There’s hope for a rebirth – as a hierarchical organization, the military responds to what its civilian leadership demands. The current crop of lap dogs understood that President Asterisk wants wokeness and weather panic, and he got it. President DeSantis, after he fires just about everyone 07 and up (and a lot of O6s) must tell the remaining guys who will need to re-do the post-‘Nam rebuild that their focus is warfighting, warfighting, and more warfighting, and that the enemy is not racial hustles, the climate, or American patriots.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Prince said weapons and military vehicles the Pentagon abandoned in Afghanistan have been acquired by the Taliban, Iran, and others. Breitbart News could not independently verify this claim.

He stated, “Hundreds of thousands of small arms, artillery machine guns, high-precision brand new drones still in the package — these are eight- and twelve-hour surveillance drones that go for $3 million a piece — hundreds of aircraft — fixed-wing and helicopters — including laser-guided bombs laser-guided rockets, some pretty capable stuff, much of which has already shipped on to Iran or sold off.”

https://www.breitbart.com/asia...n-should-buy-nukes/#

Possibly beats Clinton giving ICBM tech to the Chinese

That makes sense, working with the tribes to keep a lid on the Taliban. 5% of the cost. Like mowing a lawn, Afghanistan takes maintenance but not necessarily a lot of it.

Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and Obama were all failures as presidents. Until now, I didn’t believe anyone could be any worse, but Biden is worse than the whole lot of them. Like a lot of people I knew he was a screwup, but damn, he can’t do anything right. Before the Afghanistan debacle, he had already worked overtime to:

1. Utterly destroy the oil and gas industry in this country.
2. Trample underfoot the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights.
3. Leave our borders wide open and undefended.
4. Bankrupt thousands of small landlords with extended rent moratoriums.
5. Lead the country into more Covid hysteria to the detriment of the economy.
6. Strangle the economy with high taxes and absurd regulations.

And now he has managed steer the US into a geopolitical disaster in Afghanistan. Nice work, Joe.

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Originally posted by Broadside:
The Russians couldn't pacify this region and neither could we over a 19 year period. Do you really think the Chinese are going to waltz in and buy everyone off?

I'd kind of like to see them try (and fail) except for the tremendous toll in lives lost as collateral damage.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You slobbering head of cabbage. This didn't age well

No, it's you, Joe- worse than Obama and Carter, worse than any other POTUS. You SUCK.

A little self projection Joe, name 5 of Trumps lesser accomplishments and your 5 best. Let's compare!

@chellim1 You have mail. Please check your forum account email address.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Prince said weapons and military vehicles the Pentagon abandoned in Afghanistan have been acquired by the Taliban, Iran, and others. Breitbart News could not independently verify this claim.

He stated, “Hundreds of thousands of small arms, artillery machine guns, high-precision brand new drones still in the package — these are eight- and twelve-hour surveillance drones that go for $3 million a piece — hundreds of aircraft — fixed-wing and helicopters — including laser-guided bombs laser-guided rockets, some pretty capable stuff, much of which has already shipped on to Iran or sold off.”

https://www.breitbart.com/asia...n-should-buy-nukes/#

Possibly beats Clinton giving ICBM tech to the Chinese

This!!!

We armed them better than they have ever been armed in the past. What's worse is we did it with your money.

Let's do this and make some money.

We just invite everyone over and have a garage sale.

Tanks, planes, helos, bombs, missiles. Cook some dogs and burgers. Cold beer.

We deliver for every purchase over $500 million.

Better than the way we just did it.

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Afghanistan could have been “pacified” for five percent of the cost spent by the Pentagon with a “practical,” “cheap,” and “effective” strategy built upon special operations forces coordinating with local tribes, Prince argued.

One of the few things that I agree with Erik Prince on.

This is the same guy who wanted to set-up a 'Vicroy' for Afghanistan as a way to govern...smh

Mark Dice

UN Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield says U.S. expressed "in no uncertain terms" at the United Nations through "a very strongly worded press statement" from the Security Council that "we expect the Taliban to respect women's rights" and "to be respectful of humanitarian law."

I'm sure the Taliban are absolutely terrified by our ambassador's very strongly worded statements.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
UN Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield says U.S. expressed "in no uncertain terms" at the United Nations through "a very strongly worded press statement" from the Security Council that "we expect the Taliban to respect women's rights" and "to be respectful of humanitarian law."

I'm sure the Taliban are absolutely terrified by our ambassador's very strongly worded statements.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
UN Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield says U.S. expressed "in no uncertain terms" at the United Nations through "a very strongly worded press statement" from the Security Council that "we expect the Taliban to respect women's rights" and "to be respectful of humanitarian law."

I'm sure the Taliban are absolutely terrified by our ambassador's very strongly worded statements.

Yes, shaking in their birkenstocks.

Taliban allegedly kills Afghan woman for not wearing a burqa
The woman was reportedly shot and killed by Taliban fighters in Taloqan, Takhar province, for going without a burqa.

Despite pledges from Taliban leadership to respect "women's rights," within the framework of Sharia law, an Afghan women was recently killed over not wearing a burqa.

A graphic photo was obtained by Fox News, showing the woman laying on the ground in a pool of her own blood surrounded by her parents.
The woman was reportedly shot and killed by Taliban fighters in Taloqan, Takhar province, for going without a burqa.

CNN correspondent Clarissa Ward asked Taliban Commander Assad Massoud Khistani about how the Taliban will protect women, with many women fearing that they won't be able to go to school or work.

"How do you protect women, because many women are afraid they will not be allowed to go to school, they will not be allowed to work?" Ward asked.
"The female, the women, can continue their life and we will not say anything for them, they can go to their school, they can continue their education," Khistani said, adding that women must cover up.

"So like I'm wearing?" Ward asked. She was wearing a black headscarf and abaya, a shapeless dress that covers the body.

“Uh, not like you, but covering their face,” Khistani responded. Ward noted that this would actually be a niqab, which is a veil for the face that permits a woman to see through a mesh panel.
"Why do they have to cover their face?" Ward pushed.

"Because it is in our Islam," Khistani responded.
In another report, Ward highlighted the booming sale of burqas in Kabul as women rush to buy the garments, fearing what will happen if they are seen walking down the street without one on.

Ward said that burqas "are enjoying now something of a renaissance because as the Taliban have come back into town, more and more women are afraid to walk down the street even wearing very conservative attire, like I am wearing now." Ward was wearing the same black hijab and abaya as seen in previous reporting segments.
"And so we actually talked to the shopkeeper a little while ago and he told us that he's been selling a lot more burqas because people are frightened. They're coming out, they're buying them for their wives, their daughters, whoever it may be, because they feel that from now on, this is the way for women to be safe, safe on the streets," said Ward.

"And this is how it starts, okay? Because we hear from the Taliban again and again. women's rights will be protected. Women will be allowed to be educated women will be allowed to go to work," said Ward.

"But when you have women so afraid that they're going out to buy burqas because they're worried to be seen on the streets, even dress very conservatively as I am, you start to understand how the space for women becomes smaller and smaller, how their rights become marginalized, and how they ultimately become disenfranchised," Ward reported.

https://thepostmillennial.com/...a?utm_campaign=64469

BREAKING REPORT: British Para Troops Are RUNNING VEHICLE PATROLS Through Center of Kabul to EXTRACT TRAPPED UK Citizens — This as Biden Abandons Trapped Americans, REFUSES questions and SCHEDULES Trip back to DELAWARE...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne...-britons-afghanistan

I really didn't want to pop back in this thread but here goes. Ten years ago I could have (and did) tell my peers and commanders that this would be the ultimate result of our involvement in this country. Most of them agreed with me but were unable to change anything. This was/is a political (elected and senior military) failure. It is has been brewing for at least 3 administrations. This withdrawal has certainly been disgraceful, Biden put the shit cherry on top of the crap cake for sure. But a lot of people fucked this shit up. I have to take some of that blame because I failed. I failed my friends. I failed the people who trusted me. I failed the little Afghan girl who would play games on my computer while her mother (helo pilot) talked to my bosses. I failed the interpreter who shared some really personnel details with me and another advisor. I failed my country.

It sucks. It sucks more for the crew of the C-17 who had to take off with people hanging from the landing gear of their aircraft. It sucks for the families of those who gave their all.

I will be ok because I know I did my best. I am not sure about everyone else but I hope and pray they will be ok as well.

Herk, you came when you were called and did your duty, and upheld the oath myself and many others here have. The head shed and above are political and care what is only beneficial for themselves and their contemporaries. The door kickers, the day to day guy on the ground, we feel the guilt and the loss, but we also know in whatever small way individually we did what was right. I still have phone numbers that no one will ever answer. Being placed in an unimaginable task knowing what support you have from above is fleeting and will wane is the reality. Stay strong. Thanks for all you did.
Spunk

Herk - If you 'know you did your best' and served with honor in the performance of your duty, then YOU have NOT failed anyone! Please do NOT wear the failure of our military and political leaders on your sleeve, or let it weigh on your heart, for you were merely a cog in the wheel, a US soldier that served in defense of this great country. I can only imagine the emotions you must feel as we witness the tragic failure that has occurred in Afghanistan, but I cannot imagine that little Afghan Girl, or that interpreter, or your friends, or any of the people who trusted you could change their opinion of you as a result of the recent events still unfolding.

YOU certainly did NOT fail your country....If anything your country failed you!

Keep your head up, and THANK YOU for your service!

I wonder how many service members have stories like yours? You did your best, followed orders, maintained integrity. So many mentally hurt service folks. The REAL U.S. needs you good folks more than ever. We have to boot these politicians, get back to the real America, respect will come. I think China, Russia & NK will be a major concern until we find another Trump like true American.

I know this must kill all you that served, God give you peace.