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Originally posted by S600MBUSA:
Yesterday afternoon, there was a committee hearing in the Florida Senate to debate various amendments to a gun bill, like an AWB, deputizing volunteer teachers so they can carry, etc.

Thankfully the worst stuff was voted down, but the lib groups had bused hundreds from South Florida into the capitol to rally and speak at the hearing. I made a video highlighting their best arguments :

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...pnqw1eivebqrk0h00410

Holy shit. That there is absolute proof that truth and facts are no where to be found in their arguments. I really could not believe some of them said what they said and actually believed it themselves.

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Originally posted by S600MBUSA:

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...pnqw1eivebqrk0h00410

The first one is gold:

"I think it should be illegal for anyone to use an assault rifle to hunt down humans. I think it should be illegal to kill people with an assault rifle."

Really? Wow, this guy is a regular 'Constitutional scholar. . .'

HE'S A COMPSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR!!

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"I think it should be illegal for anyone to use an assault rifle to hunt down humans. I think it should be illegal to kill people with an assault rifle."

I agree. We should pass a law making killing people illegal. But let's not limit it to assault rifles. We should make it illegal to kill people in other fashions as well.

Truly, an excellent idea. Makes one wonder why it has never before been suggested.

Of course this means that it will be legal to kill people with a rimfire rifle, a sledge hammer and explosives. Seems like an awfully big loop hole but hey, these guys know what they're doing.

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Originally posted by S600MBUSA:
Yesterday afternoon, there was a committee hearing in the Florida Senate to debate various amendments to a gun bill, like an AWB, deputizing volunteer teachers so they can carry, etc.

Thankfully the worst stuff was voted down, but the lib groups had bused hundreds from South Florida into the capitol to rally and speak at the hearing. I made a video highlighting their best arguments :




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...pnqw1eivebqrk0h00410

If this is the future, then there is no future. And I especially loved the kid with glasses and pink hair. That clown needs to be institutionalized asap.

Dear lord, that’s some of the most idiotic nonsense I’ve ever heard. I wish I hadn’t watched it. The comet can’t come soon enough.

Here's one of only 2-3 speeches that were against more gun control. Note the reaction from that evil witch behind him when he speaks about what Castro and his band of thugs did in Cuba (around 1:20). Guess "gun violence" by commies is totally okay, right?




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/ot_xeiFd4bE

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Originally posted by sigspecops:
Dear lord, that’s some of the most idiotic nonsense I’ve ever heard. I wish I hadn’t watched it. The comet can’t come soon enough.

Hey now, at least you didn't have to watch the whole 3 hours yesterday afternoon and then spend hours trimming and collating clips, hearing their stupid shit over and over. I do it as a public service.

I'm trying to find the bils being voted on in Florida, but it looks like a Senate committee has rejected an AWB, but approved raising the minimum age for purchase to 21 and approved allowing teachers to carry (subject to strict background checks and training requirements).

The race card has been getting a lot of traction, I see. Articles on the subject have many comments along the lines of "I'm black, and I'm worried that my kids' teachers are going to shoot them for talking in class or chewing gum or otherwise just not being white."

Edit to add a summary of the bill...

Mental Health:

-Authorizes a law enforcement officer who is taking a person into custody for an involuntary examination under the Baker Act to seize and hold a firearm or ammunition from the person for at least 72 hours, or until the person appears at the agency to retrieve the firearm or ammunition.
-Prohibits a person who has been adjudicated mentally defective or who has been committed to a mental institution from owning or possessing a firearm until a court orders otherwise.
-Creates a process for a law enforcement officer or law enforcement agency to petition a court for a risk protection order to temporarily prevent persons who are at high risk of harming themselves or others from accessing firearms when a person poses a significant danger to himself or herself or others, including significant danger as a result of a mental health crisis or violent behavior.
-Provides a court can issue a risk protection order for up to 12 months.
-Requires the surrender of all firearms and ammunition if a risk protection order is issued.
-Provides a process for a risk protection order to be vacated or extended.
-Codifies the Multiagency Service Network for Students with Severe Emotional Disturbance (SEDNET) as a function of the DOE in partnership with other state, regional, and local entities to facilitate collaboration and communication between the specified entities.
-Creates the mental health assistance allocation to provide supplemental funding to assist school districts and charter schools in establishing or expanding comprehensive mental health programs, and to connect students and families with appropriate services.


Firearms Safety:

-Requires a three-day waiting period for all firearms, not just handguns, or until the background check is completed, whichever is later. Provides exceptions for:
Concealed weapons permit holders, and
For firearms other than handguns, an exception for individuals who have completed a 16 hour hunter safety course.
-Prohibits a person under 21 years of age from purchasing a firearm, and a licensed firearm dealers, importers, and manufacturers, from selling a firearm, except in the case of a member of the military, or a law enforcement or correctional officer.
-Prohibits a bump-fire stock from being imported, transferred, distributed, transported, sold, keeping for sale, offering or exposing for sale, or giving away within the state.


School Safety:

-Establishes the Commission on School Safety and Security within the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to investigate system failures in the Parkland school shooting and prior mass shooting events, and develop recommendations for system improvements.
-Codifies the Office of Safe Schools (office) within the Florida Department of Education (DOE), and specifies purpose for the office is to serve as the state education agency’s primary coordinating division for promoting and supporting safe-learning environments.
-Creates the Florida Sheriff’s Marshal Program within the DOE as a voluntary program to assist school districts and public schools in enhancing the safety and security of students, faculty, staff, and visitors to Florida’s public schools and campuses.
-Establishes the Public School Emergency Response Learning System Program to assist school personnel in preparing for and responding to active emergency situations, and to implement local notification systems for all Florida public schools.
-Requires each district school board and school district superintendent to cooperate with law enforcement agencies to assign one or more safe-school officers at each school facility, and:
-Requires each district school board to designate a district school safety specialist to serve as the district’s primary point of public contact for public school safety functions.
-Requires each school district to designate school safety specialists and a threat assessment team at each school, and requires the team to operate under the district school safety specialist’s direction.
-Clarifies the applicability of public records exemptions for security systems and plans to give confidence that video footage that could reveal the location and capabilities of security cameras is exempt from public records.

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The race card has been getting a lot of traction, I see.

Most if not all of these mass shooters are white, no?

"I'm black, and I'm worried that some crazed cracker might start shooting at my kids in school. I want my teachers to have the ability to fight back against that racist red-neck."

If you are on the fence about where to go spend some vacation time this year, choose Florida and make a young fascist very unhappy:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...gun-laws-change.html


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One of the teen survivors of the Florida school shooting suggested Saturday that tourists stay away from the state until gun control measures are enacted.

“Let’s make a deal DO NOT come to Florida for spring break unless gun legislation is passed. These [politicians] won’t listen to us so maybe [they’ll] listen to the billion dollar tourism industry in FL,” tweeted David Hogg, a 17-year-old senior and student reporter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, in Parkland, Florida.


Hogg — who has been a major player in the student-activist movement staging protests in Florida calling for stricter gun laws — sent the tweet to his followers, which now number more than 300,000.

Hogg — whose Twitter bio describes him as a “film maker, entrepreneur, surfer” — co-founded the student mobilization group Never Again MSD, creating the #neveragain hashtag online and calling for a ban on certain weapons and improved care for the mentally ill since a shooter slaughtered 17 people at the Parkland high school on Valentine’s Day. “MSD” refers to his Parkland school.

Alleged teen gunman, Nikolas Cruz, used an AR-15 and had a history of emotional problems, according to investigators. Cruz was arrested and charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder.

The students attended a voluntary orientation before the official reopening on Wednesday.
Wendy Glaab, 60, of Fonthill, Ontario, Canada, was among the first to respond to his tweet. “I like many Canadians travel to Florida from time to time to escape our winter. I can’t speak for others but I will not be returning until meaningful gun control legislation is in place.”

Glaab told The Associated Press on Saturday that her sister owns property in Fort Lauderdale and she is able to visit any time she chooses.

“Better Idea: Spend your spring break in Puerto Rico, it’s a beautiful place with amazing people. They could really use the economic support that the government has failed to provide,” Hogg followed up in a separate tweet.


It’s too soon to tell how significantly the aftermath of the massacre might sway the country’s wider gun debate.

National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said last week at the Conservative Political Action Conference that people advocating for stricter gun control were exploiting the Florida shooting.

President Donald Trump has suggested some teachers could be armed so they could fire on any attacker. However, Trump also has called for raising the minimum age for purchasing semi-automatic rifles, a move the NRA has opposed.

The American Pravda contributed to this report.

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“It bothers me to think as a father of two young boys to tell them to not be aggressive to your teacher,” said Sen. Oscar Branynon (D-Miami Gardens).

It bothers me that it bothers him to give those instructions to his boys. I was taught not to be aggressive to teachers, and they were not armed. I was taught to obey them and if I failed to do so, whatever punishment was meted out at school (yes, they did that) was repeated--harder--at home. Students did not get "aggressive" with teachers in my day.

flashguy

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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“It bothers me to think as a father of two young boys to tell them to not be aggressive to your teacher,” said Sen. Oscar Branynon (D-Miami Gardens).

It bothers me that it bothers him to give those instructions to his boys. I was taught not to be aggressive to teachers, and they were not armed. I was taught to obey them and if I failed to do so, whatever punishment was meted out at school (yes, they did that) was repeated--harder--at home. Students did not get "aggressive" with teachers in my day.

flashguy

I can relate. If I acted up at school, I knew that whatever punishment was meted out at school(including paddling in those days), would be doubled at home. Now, parents(or parent) just don't care or they blame the teacher/administrator for daring to correct their precious child.



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Originally posted by S600MBUSA:

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...pnqw1eivebqrk0h00410

Sorry, I couldn’t get past 45 seconds. It made my brain hurt and my dog howl.

One of the pieces on NPR this morning was in response to the President's suggestion for armed teachers. "But some worry that this will make school more dangerous for students of color." And then they went on about how "students of color" are far more likely to be discliplined by racist teachers and that this is a whole other level of oppression we're trying to foist upon colored students: that now they'll not only have to fear being shot by racist cops but racist teachers as well, even the colored teachers, who've been statistically shown to disciplines colored students more often than whites.

As an aside, I've decided to start using "colored" in my vernacular because it's less of a mouthful than "________ of color," which seems to be the term du-juor.

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Originally posted by flashguy:
It bothers me that it bothers him to give those instructions to his boys. I was taught not to be aggressive to teachers, and they were not armed. I was taught to obey them and if I failed to do so, whatever punishment was meted out at school (yes, they did that) was repeated--harder--at home. Students did not get "aggressive" with teachers in my day.

flashguy

Exactly

Punishment at school, meh.
Punishment at home when parents find out? Oh crap please don't tell my parents, I won't do it again.

Adults that are buddies instead of parents are the problem.

[Quote]Authorizes a law enforcement officer who is taking a person into custody for an involuntary examination under the Baker Act to seize and hold a firearm or ammunition from the person for at least 72 hours, or until the person appears at the agency to retrieve the firearm or ammunition.[Quote]

Since firearms are not registered in FL how are they going to know that the person has one? Or 2, or 10? I don't think my wife really knows what firearms I have and where they are all located.

the video is old, but the media has not gotten a smidgen smarter since they made it.

Pretty sure Dan Rather consulted on it.

Limits to free speech and limits to the right to keep and bear arms.

First, we may have limits to free speech, but no one will limit a person’s right to speak out in protest of being wrongfully imprisoned or if any other rights (liberty or freedom for example) are threatened.

Ask anyone if any of that “speech” should be limited, then ask what speech is, or should be limited. (like the old shouting fire in a theater bit)



Now, if a tyrannical government were to try and wrongfully imprison or that any other rights (liberty or freedom for example) are threatened, what limits to use of deadly force are acceptable or unacceptable to one who needs to use deadly force in order to prevent that or fight back?

That, is the point.

The 2nd is not about “sport shooting”, it is not about “hunting”, it is about using the greatest amount of deadly force against anyone who would wrongfully deny an individual’s God given rights to freedom, and liberty, that’s it, Nothing else.

The argument is simple as it can be.

Everything that the leftist’s seek to take, always ends up with the elimination of any and all means to resist imposition of rule over the free individual.


The water always flows to the sea. It cannot be stopped. The only way it can be prevented from reaching the sea is to put it in a container impervious to the flow of water.

Arms are that container. Arms contain the "water" of tyranny and oppression, and "prevent it" from flowing to the sea.

If you have no impervious container. There is nothing that can contain the water. Not one thing.