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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
I see it as more "trained professional" vs "idiot with a weapon". Or at least the SRO should have been. Surprise should be on the officer's side. He can hear the shooting and can attempt to approach in order to be able to attack the shooter without warning. Obviously whoever sees the other first has the advantage. A million things can / will factor into it and yes it's dangerous as hell for the officer. Obviously the coward SRO knew that and decided to hide & collect his pension. | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
I'm not sure I want armed teachers playing Diehard. It's one thing to qualify on a course and it's another to maintain those skills and have enough training not to get innocent people killed. I'd rather they barricade themselves in their rooms with a pistol than take shots in a hallway full of kids with nerves and adrenaline going. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Hits count. Where was it recently (in the last few years) where a single individual (officer?guard) took out two would be terrorists armed with rifles with his handgun? Yeah, a 5.56 round out of a rifle may be more destructive than a 9mm out of a pistol, but if one concentrates on making good hits and burns that dirtbags to the ground, they can probably take him out with a 22 caliber revolver. What he has and what you have are far less important than putting whatever round you have in his noggin. | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Unless he has armor, or is way down the hallway shooting you with a rifle. Expecting anyone to make head shots with a pistol while taking rapid .223 rounds isn't a good bet. School hallways can be looooong. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Given the options, I'd go with armed teacher on-site every time, every day. Option 2 is our innocent children being murdered, BTW. And that's not a hypothetical, clearly. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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| Member |
Most sensible solution I see being floated is for every high school (and where warranted grade school and middle school) to have a rapid response team of at least 3 or 4 heavily armed AND armored teachers. At least an AR-15 with AP rounds and a level IV ballistic vest for each teacher who is a part of the group. If there is little time to mobilize then each teacher should be trained to operate on their own too.. Maybe have a recessed gun locker that raises out of the floor when a discrete switch is toggled. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I'm not sure how you mistook my post as implying that the teacher be John McClain. My point was simply to push back at the notion that because this armed cowardly RSO didn't do anything to stop the killing, that doesn't mean that a teacher who is also armed won't make a difference if he's trapped and being shot at. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Gecko45, is that you? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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And yet, this is the same system the liberals want to entrust a "solution" to. Ye Gods. You can't truly call yourself "peaceful" unless you are capable of great violence. If you're not capable of great violence, you're not peaceful, you're harmless. NRA Benefactor/Patriot Member | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
This sure has taken the lib’s mind, if you will excuse the presumption, off of berating the President to get their memo published. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Which one does DocSteve have? It would be a factor... Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Very droll, but we talk from time to time about various scenarios where one is becoming involved in a shooting sotuation. Always, at some point, someone comes along with carrying a pistol when you don’t expect trouble, and if you do either don’t go there or carry a rifle and make sure all your friends come along with rifles too. Or, someone will opine that a pistol is only good for fighting to get to your rifle. There are similar sentiments in the same vein. Now I wonder how this fellow can be criticized severely for not entering and confronting, armed, but with a pistol and no back up. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
I agree. Surprise should be on the officer's side... and ideally would be the deciding factor. If he could sneak up on the shooter, preferably from behind, and take his first shots before the shooter even knew he was there. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
How? All day every day and twice on Sunday I'll criticize this cowardly SOB. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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A Grateful American |
Let me see if I understand the past several posts. It is OK for anyone to carry a concealed weapon, but not a teacher (or several) in a situation that is far more likely to be said weapon be useful in a situation where one might find themselves facing someone with a rifle, but rather them have no means of trying to deal with the threat od deadly force, with deadly force becuase they migh not have the same advantage, be 100% current in shooting skills? We know too well in what the other option results. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Lighten up and laugh |
We agree. I probably misunderstood when you said in the thick of things. I just prefer a teacher not to go into the halls trying to stop a shooter unless their training is regular and intense. I'm not sure I could expect anyone to sit by while children are being hurt though. It just concerns me because that is a situation where you have to not only be accurate, but control nerves, and be aware of the kids moving around him. | |||
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Now in Florida |
Florida Gov. Rick Scott just proposed raising the minimum age to buy anyfirearm to 21. "Also, we will require all individuals purchasing firearms to be 21 or older. Let me repeat – we will require all individuals purchasing firearms to be 21 or older." If you're 18-21 years old, the 2nd Amendment doesn't apply to you. Link | |||
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CBS had this piece on this morning about a Colorado school teacher that conceal carries at work. It's good. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/w...ready-carries-a-gun/ Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yes, by "in the thick of things" I meant him being right there with the students who are being targeted. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I recall that several districts around Texas have provided for armed teachers, CHL holders, ex-molitary, etc. so far, so good. One fascinating datapoint is that apparently CHL holders have been less likely to commit crime, far less likely than the population, and considerably less likely than LEOs as a group. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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