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Watching the video, the man in the white top in the middle of it says "It's my department, she's done nothing wrong...." Apparently they didn't bother to cuff n' stuff him, too. Maybe the detective has a childhood trauma involving Olympic skiers? ________________________________________________ "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving." -Dr. Adrian Rogers | |||
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Is that really possible? Or, in reality, would she be suing the innocent taxpayers for millions of dollars? ____________________ | |||
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Only the strong survive |
Just another one that got through the screening process. Not only lack of training but an attitude problem since he is a public servant. The other officers should have spoken up but maybe they are not up to speed as well. You have to ask yourself, What would this guy do in a more serious case without thinking? He should be fired and no longer qualified to work in law enforcement. The others should be reprimanded. 41 | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
According to the Salt Lake Tribune, the patient SLPD wanted to get a blood sample from was a reserve police officer from Idaho. The Tribune said he was the victim in the case they were investigating. I'm guessing had he been conscious, he likely would have given them the sample. "...Payne’s report identifies him as 43-year-old William Gray, a reserve officer in the Rigby, Idaho, Police Department, who suffered burns during a July 26 crash in Cache County." http://www.sltrib.com/news/201...-unconscious-victim/ | |||
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Here's the opportunity for LE to come down hard on this guy and prove that there is not a Blue line of silence. There IS no other side to hear. She was right. She has the law on her side and he was nothing but an ass. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Sue the department and the individuals. If you win and strip the individuals of qualified immunity, you can wreck them. But the only money will come from the department. And yes, it comes from the taxpayers. The solution is to cut funding of the police the amount of the settlement. That way the department feels the pain and will hopefully make changes. I also came up with the perfect word to describe cops like Payne: DOUCHEBADGE. I'm gonna trademark it. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend  |
SLCPD is a shit show. They don't play well with other agencies. Their dispatch system sucks and is run by the mayors office and not the PD or Fire. They admin folks have a long history of sexual harassment and protecting their own ivory tower asses. The SLC Politicians have their fingers so deep in the PD their cops can taste the freshly applied fingernail polish from their gay liberal mayor. These guys get their marching orders from the top. I suspect this detective was out of his element. Likely has been sitting in some easy specialty for the last ten or so years and having little to do with actual law enforcement. writing a warrant for a blood draw is boiler plate. There is literally a template you just have to fill in a couple of spaces and its done. Takes about 15 minutes. I'm still not sure why he needed the blood. He wasn't the suspect but a victim. The hospital takes blood with their own labs. A subpoena for those labs at a latter date would have been just fine. That of course assumes you can't get the victim to sign a medical release where he signs a one page form and the hospital copies all of the medical, treatment, xrays, labs and doctors notes which would have had his blood alcohol content. Thanks SLC and Det Payne. I am going to be apologizing to every nurse I know and work with for the next year because of you! | |||
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delicately calloused |
Officer Friendly got his feelers hurt... You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Since the accident involved a fatality, the victim (truck driver) would be required to submit to drug testing by DOT regulations. This is not in the purview of the local police unless the driver was suspected of DWI/DUI (where protocol was outlined by the nurse). Perhaps that's where the confusion began. | |||
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I would think that if this had happened anywhere else, the cop would have been pulled off of the street and been put on a desk answering the phone. Unbelievable!! Jim ________________________ "If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird | |||
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Chip away the stone |
Do LEOs even have authority EVER to force a medical professional to perform a procedure? | |||
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Maybe someone should have checked that officer's BAC. __________________________ But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. | |||
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| Too soon old, too late smart |
And none of his fellow officers knew he had a tendency to be "badge heavy?"  | |||
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| No double standards |
I wonder if the City Atty is in damage control mode now. To gw3971. Thank you for your work. I have a family member who works in the EMT/ER/paramedic/ambulance field, works closely with law enforcement. Things can really get bizarre at times. And hopefully a year from now I will move out of CA and back to the US  (ie, somewhere along the Wasatch Front)."Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Warrant or if under arrest for DUI/DWI. | |||
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I don't think there was any confusion after listening to what the Lt told the nurse when she was in the police car. I had the impression they (police) knew they were out of bounds and still wanted to proceed. | |||
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They may be able to compel a person to submit, not sure they can order a practitioner to perform the procedure. | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend |
No. We have agreements with hospitals to do them if we ask and under certain circumstances as were out lined by the nurse. In general we have the fire department guys take blood since we don't want the doctors and nurses have to be part of the chain of custody and have to show up for court on these cases. And because we like them. | |||
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| Chip away the stone |
That's what I'm getting at. Seems like a practitioner should be able to refuse. Not that I'm generally in favor of that, but it seems a weird feature of law if a LEO can force a practitioner, say at a privately owned hospital, to do a procedure against their will. | |||
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