Salt Lake PD puts on duty ED Charge Nurse in handcuffs
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Originally posted by ulsterman:
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Originally posted by 12131: It just occurred to me, where is the ED/ER doc in all of this? He/she is the one giving/writing orders. Nurses can't do anything without doctor's orders, whether verbal or written. If that asshole was going to arrest someone, it should have been the doctor, right?
This reminded me of a case when I used to work ER several years ago. A patient involved in a crash was suspected of DUI. Cop wanted us to do blood draw for BAC level. I told the nurse nope. No court order, no go. Sorry, but I was not going to assault the patient.
Good point. If the doc had been involved, I doubt the officer would have escalated to that point.
Watching the video, the man in the white top in the middle of it says "It's my department, she's done nothing wrong...." Apparently they didn't bother to cuff n' stuff him, too.
Maybe the detective has a childhood trauma involving Olympic skiers?
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September 01, 2017, 08:21 AM
RichardC
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Originally posted by Sig2340: She needs to sue every one of the police officers involved individually for millions of dollars.
Is that really possible? Or, in reality, would she be suing the innocent taxpayers for millions of dollars?
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September 01, 2017, 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Flyboyrv6: The root cause is poor training on the part of the officers... the nurse knew the law and supreme court decision and why didn't the officers?
Just another one that got through the screening process. Not only lack of training but an attitude problem since he is a public servant. The other officers should have spoken up but maybe they are not up to speed as well.
You have to ask yourself, What would this guy do in a more serious case without thinking? He should be fired and no longer qualified to work in law enforcement. The others should be reprimanded.
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September 01, 2017, 08:43 AM
deepocean
According to the Salt Lake Tribune, the patient SLPD wanted to get a blood sample from was a reserve police officer from Idaho. The Tribune said he was the victim in the case they were investigating. I'm guessing had he been conscious, he likely would have given them the sample.
"...Payne’s report identifies him as 43-year-old William Gray, a reserve officer in the Rigby, Idaho, Police Department, who suffered burns during a July 26 crash in Cache County."
Here's the opportunity for LE to come down hard on this guy and prove that there is not a Blue line of silence. There IS no other side to hear. She was right. She has the law on her side and he was nothing but an ass.
September 01, 2017, 08:51 AM
Sig2340
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Originally posted by RichardC:
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Originally posted by Sig2340: She needs to sue every one of the police officers involved individually for millions of dollars.
Is that really possible? Or, in reality, would she be suing the innocent taxpayers for millions of dollars?
Sue the department and the individuals. If you win and strip the individuals of qualified immunity, you can wreck them. But the only money will come from the department.
And yes, it comes from the taxpayers.
The solution is to cut funding of the police the amount of the settlement. That way the department feels the pain and will hopefully make changes.
I also came up with the perfect word to describe cops like Payne: DOUCHEBADGE. I'm gonna trademark it.
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September 01, 2017, 08:53 AM
RHINOWSO
September 01, 2017, 09:16 AM
gw3971
SLCPD is a shit show. They don't play well with other agencies. Their dispatch system sucks and is run by the mayors office and not the PD or Fire. They admin folks have a long history of sexual harassment and protecting their own ivory tower asses. The SLC Politicians have their fingers so deep in the PD their cops can taste the freshly applied fingernail polish from their gay liberal mayor. These guys get their marching orders from the top. I suspect this detective was out of his element. Likely has been sitting in some easy specialty for the last ten or so years and having little to do with actual law enforcement. writing a warrant for a blood draw is boiler plate. There is literally a template you just have to fill in a couple of spaces and its done. Takes about 15 minutes. I'm still not sure why he needed the blood. He wasn't the suspect but a victim. The hospital takes blood with their own labs. A subpoena for those labs at a latter date would have been just fine. That of course assumes you can't get the victim to sign a medical release where he signs a one page form and the hospital copies all of the medical, treatment, xrays, labs and doctors notes which would have had his blood alcohol content. Thanks SLC and Det Payne. I am going to be apologizing to every nurse I know and work with for the next year because of you!
September 01, 2017, 09:21 AM
darthfuster
Officer Friendly got his feelers hurt...
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier
September 01, 2017, 09:29 AM
a1abdj
Since the accident involved a fatality, the victim (truck driver) would be required to submit to drug testing by DOT regulations. This is not in the purview of the local police unless the driver was suspected of DWI/DUI (where protocol was outlined by the nurse). Perhaps that's where the confusion began.
I would think that if this had happened anywhere else, the cop would have been pulled off of the street and been put on a desk answering the phone. Unbelievable!!
Jim
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September 01, 2017, 09:42 AM
rusbro
Do LEOs even have authority EVER to force a medical professional to perform a procedure?
September 01, 2017, 09:49 AM
callibird
Maybe someone should have checked that officer's BAC.
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September 01, 2017, 09:50 AM
Sportshooter
And none of his fellow officers knew he had a tendency to be "badge heavy?"
September 01, 2017, 09:50 AM
Scoutmaster
I wonder if the City Atty is in damage control mode now.
To gw3971. Thank you for your work. I have a family member who works in the EMT/ER/paramedic/ambulance field, works closely with law enforcement. Things can really get bizarre at times.
And hopefully a year from now I will move out of CA and back to the US (ie, somewhere along the Wasatch Front).
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September 01, 2017, 09:51 AM
ulsterman
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Originally posted by rusbro: Do LEOs even have authority EVER to force a medical professional to perform a procedure?
Warrant or if under arrest for DUI/DWI.
September 01, 2017, 09:53 AM
ulsterman
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Originally posted by a1abdj: Since the accident involved a fatality, the victim (truck driver) would be required to submit to drug testing by DOT regulations. This is not in the purview of the local police unless the driver was suspected of DWI/DUI (where protocol was outlined by the nurse). Perhaps that's where the confusion began.
I don't think there was any confusion after listening to what the Lt told the nurse when she was in the police car. I had the impression they (police) knew they were out of bounds and still wanted to proceed.
September 01, 2017, 09:54 AM
MNSIG
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Originally posted by ulsterman:
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Originally posted by rusbro: Do LEOs even have authority EVER to force a medical professional to perform a procedure?
Warrant or if under arrest for DUI/DWI.
They may be able to compel a person to submit, not sure they can order a practitioner to perform the procedure.
September 01, 2017, 09:58 AM
gw3971
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Originally posted by rusbro: Do LEOs even have authority EVER to force a medical professional to perform a procedure?
No. We have agreements with hospitals to do them if we ask and under certain circumstances as were out lined by the nurse. In general we have the fire department guys take blood since we don't want the doctors and nurses have to be part of the chain of custody and have to show up for court on these cases. And because we like them.
September 01, 2017, 09:59 AM
rusbro
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Originally posted by MNSIG:
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Originally posted by ulsterman:
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Originally posted by rusbro: Do LEOs even have authority EVER to force a medical professional to perform a procedure?
Warrant or if under arrest for DUI/DWI.
They may be able to compel a person to submit, not sure they can order a practitioner to perform the procedure.
That's what I'm getting at. Seems like a practitioner should be able to refuse. Not that I'm generally in favor of that, but it seems a weird feature of law if a LEO can force a practitioner, say at a privately owned hospital, to do a procedure against their will.
(ie, somewhere along the Wasatch Front).