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Cut me a bit of slack will ya. I didn't suggest I had all the answers, or even a chunk of facts. All I did was extrapolate from what we do know to have happened (i.e. Baldwin fired a gun, the projectile struck and killed one person and wounded another), and suggested a blank round would not generate that sort of damage. If the investigation proves that statement to be incorrect, check back here for my mea culpa.

Didn't mean to come across as picking on your statement, more so to the general comments throughout regarding the whole situation from the loading of the gun up to pulling the trigger, we just don't know all the details, and much of what is published is rehashed statements some from disgruntled employees, which are always valid unbias reports.

It's true, we know two people were shot, one died, Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger, outside of that everything is conjecture from the new armorer, the AD grabbing the "cold gun", crews walking off for safety or money reasons.

If Baldwin is actually held accountable in any way , I will be shocked . It won't matter what the law says if the wrong Judge gets the case . We've seen it too many times . He won't spend a night in jail .

Nah, I think he'll be held to account. Killing a wife and mother would be hard to sweep under the rug or hope the public will forget over time. Her family won't likely let this one go and let's not forget her husband works for a sizable law firm. The slug will pay in some way even if the prosecutor won't press charges. I don't need to see Alec put away and forgotten. I'd rather see him neutered so to speak and have the shame of undeniable irresponsibility hamstring him.

Someone will, but I don't know if it will be him or the producer who set up and handed him the guns.

We, as people who deal with live guns, think of anything that looks like a gun as always a deadly weapon. This is just not true in the movie industry. Things that look like guns are designed to be safe to point at and pretend to shoot at other individuals. They're props, not weapons. Baldwin had no expectation that what he was being handed was capable of killing someone, especially when the producer who handed him the what should have been a prop, told him specifically that it wasn't.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Nah, I think he'll be held to account. Killing a wife and mother would be hard to sweep under the rug or hope the public will forget over time. Her family won't likely let this one go and let's not forget her husband works for a sizable law firm. The slug will pay in some way even if the prosecutor won't press charges. I don't need to see Alec put away and forgotten. I'd rather see him neutered so to speak and have the shame of undeniable irresponsibility hamstring him.

^^^Don't forget a lot of these civil court things are settled with the terms being secret to the public. Often with Non-Disparagement Clause too.

I have no idea how this one will go, but just sayin' it's possible.

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Originally posted by selogic:
If Baldwin is actually held accountable in any way , I will be shocked . It won't matter what the law says if the wrong Judge gets the case . We've seen it too many times . He won't spend a night in jail .

I don't understand why we're speculating on that aspect at all at this point. We've got a long way to go yet before the investigation finalizes and we truly know all the details of what happened. I think it reasonable to suggest Baldwin is not going to walk away unscathed by this.

A bit of a thread drift here, but how do y’all think that this incident will affect Civil War re-enactments in the future?

While I’ve never participated in one, I have witnessed a couple with massed infantry and artillery firing. I know that strict safety protocols are briefed and followed, but yet I have heard of a rifle ramrod being sent down range a time or two. I don’t even want to think what could happen with improper artillery rounds being fired.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Alec, how ya doin' there, bud? Drinkin' a bit more this weekend, huh? Oh, a lot more. Well, that's cool. You done fucked up, son

Another good discussion to illustrate a hundred different ways why incidents such as this shouldn't and don't happen.
They were plinking with live ammo that morning. Are you f'ng kidding me. Who brought the ammo will be interesting

The Andrew Branca video was very informative. However he pointed out that the DA has the option of not charging him.
My guess, the DA being a rabid leftist, is that she will not charge "one of their own".

I can only pray that the leftist judge is SO anti-gun that she sacrifices one of her own to prove the point.

He got a leftist prosecutor...don't kid yourselves. It's already a wrap...though the gun may get charged.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by selogic:
If Baldwin is actually held accountable in any way , I will be shocked . It won't matter what the law says if the wrong Judge gets the case . We've seen it too many times . He won't spend a night in jail .

I don't understand why we're speculating on that aspect at all at this point. We've got a long way to go yet before the investigation finalizes and we truly know all the details of what happened. I think it reasonable to suggest Baldwin is not going to walk away unscathed by this.

But this is the internet! The whole point is speculating and talking through your hat. To paraphrase our old friend Jim Allen, knowing what one is talking about is generally admired, but not strictly required.

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Originally posted by radioman:
^^^Don't forget a lot of these civil court things are settled with the terms being secret to the public. Often with Non-Disparagement Clause too.

I have no idea how this one will go, but just sayin' it's possible.

Settlements such as this are almost always confidential. Why wouldn't they be? It is in all the parties' interest to keep it confidential.

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
A bit of a thread drift here, but how do y’all think that this incident will affect Civil War re-enactments in the future?

While I’ve never participated in one, I have witnessed a couple with massed infantry and artillery firing. I know that strict safety protocols are briefed and followed, but yet I have heard of a rifle ramrod being sent down range a time or two. I don’t even want to think what could happen with improper artillery rounds being fired.

All the re-eanctments I know of bar ramrods from the field.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Nah, I think he'll be held to account. Killing a wife and mother would be hard to sweep under the rug or hope the public will forget over time. Her family won't likely let this one go and let's not forget her husband works for a sizable law firm. The slug will pay in some way even if the prosecutor won't press charges. I don't need to see Alec put away and forgotten. I'd rather see him neutered so to speak and have the shame of undeniable irresponsibility hamstring him.

My prediction:

Baldwin will express obscene levels of remorse at this Terribly Tragic Accident, paint himself as a victim of other people's failures and his own regretfully-misplaced trust and confidence in the professionals he works with, and double down on his anti-gun rhetoric because this Terribly Tragic Accident proves that guns are incredibly dangerous even in the hands of professionals so we must get them out of the hands of deplorables.

The local authorities will not charge anyone because this was a Terribly Tragic Accident and the obscene levels of remorse show that healing and education (i.e. anti-gun rhetoric) are needed in our community, and that's what laws are for -- healing our communities.

There will be a very large and very confidential payment made to the cinematographer's family; they will take it quietly and try to move on (note, I'm not being cynical here - that is understandable).

The media will accept this as just and the Hollywood elite will consider it proper (after a socially-acceptable mourning/reflection period). Many people in the industry who worked on the set or knew the victim will know that it is a whitewash, but they will either be silent or unemployable.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Someone will, but I don't know if it will be him or the producer who set up and handed him the guns.

We, as people who deal with live guns, think of anything that looks like a gun as always a deadly weapon. This is just not true in the movie industry. Things that look like guns are designed to be safe to point at and pretend to shoot at other individuals. They're props, not weapons. Baldwin had no expectation that what he was being handed was capable of killing someone, especially when the producer who handed him the what should have been a prop, told him specifically that it wasn't.

Did you read the bit by S L Huang posted by sdy? Did you watch the Branca video posted by wcb6092? They were both on the last page.

The DA should be getting a metric shit ton of pressure to follow the law as laid out by Mr. Branca. If she does, he likely to become a felon.

Santa Fe is deep blue and the cult worship of leftist celebrities is strong. Circling the wagons to protect a fellow democrat is what will happen. I doubt the prosecutor does anything. I will be very surprised if she does.

His chances are as good as it gets, unfortunately.

Our legal system is very much pay to play, and damn near designed for the rich and famous to thrive.