Kind of surprised Baldwin's marksmanship hasn't come up yet. He hit what he aimed at, and then some. As much as I can't stand his views, imo it's not his fault, for reasons many have already stated.

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
Kind of surprised Baldwin's marksmanship hasn't come up yet. He hit what he aimed at, and then some.

Did he? Truth is we have no idea those details.

It's reported that he was rehearsing a scene which involved him doing a cross-draw while seated. The woman who was killed could have been standing way off to the side for all we know, and Baldwin pulled the trigger while bringing the firearm across his body and up to his target. It could have been nothing but dumb, bad luck the poor woman was hit. Or not. Who the hell knows?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
Kind of surprised Baldwin's marksmanship hasn't come up yet. He hit what he aimed at, and then some.

Did he? Truth is we have no idea those details.

It's reported that he was rehearsing a scene which involved him doing a cross-draw while seated. The woman who was killed could have been standing way off to the side for all we know, and Baldwin pulled the trigger while bringing the firearm across his body and up to his target. It could have been nothing but dumb, bad luck the poor woman was hit. Or not. Who the hell knows?

Several have commented in this thread that the idea was to aim right at the camera, so the movie viewer would be looking right into the barrel.

"Alec Baldwin was drawing a revolver across his body and pointing it at a camera during rehearsal on the set of "Rust" when the weapon fired and struck the cinematographer in the chest, according to an affidavit released on Sunday."

https://www.reuters.com/world/...ms-mount-2021-10-24/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/1...hooting-details.html

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"Alec Baldwin was drawing a revolver across his body and pointing it at a camera during rehearsal on the set of "Rust" when the weapon fired and struck the cinematographer in the chest, according to an affidavit released on Sunday."

I'm glad we finally cleared that up, the weapon is at fault

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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"Alec Baldwin was drawing a revolver across his body and pointing it at a camera during rehearsal on the set of "Rust" when the weapon fired and struck the cinematographer in the chest, according to an affidavit released on Sunday."

I'm glad we finally cleared that up, the weapon is at fault

Yeah, the use of passive voice there implies it 'just happened.' Just like those drug commercials: "symptoms are rare, but certain cancers have occurred."

It went off.
The gun fired.
A bullet was fired.
I read that all the time in news stories, where they 'were cleaning a gun and it went off.' Or 'he dropped the gun and it went off' (more likely, he dropped it, tried to catch it, got his finger in the trigger guard, and he fired the weapon inadvertently). 'A child took a gun from his mother's purse and it just went off.' This language is intended to deflect blame, and I think this supports the claim that guns are inherently dangerous, since they 'just go off' all the time.

Compare that to "baldwin shot the woman," or "baldwin pulled the trigger." That is active voice, but implies responsibility on behalf of the shooter. You never see a drug commercial saying 'symptoms are rare, but florivax has caused cancer and/or death.'

Also, the use of the term 'prop gun,' implying this was some sort of freak accident. Sure, it technically was a 'prop,' but this long after the shooting, they should drop that word. I can see them using the term 'prop gun' in the initial 911 call, so the cops don't come in expecting an active shooter. But now, it's just a way to deflect blame. baldwin fired a real live gun with a real live bullet at a real live person. It wasn't "a prop gun was fired" or "a prop gun went off."

Article from The Wall Street Journal
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Experts Question Gun-Safety Protocols
Some steps appear to have been skipped on set of Alec Baldwin movie, they say.

SANTA FE, N.M.—The account of the fatal shooting on the movie set of “Rust” in affidavits prepared by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office suggests that some industry-standard safety precautions weren’t followed, say film-weapons experts and industry veterans.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the movie’s 24-year-old firearms expert, who had recently completed her first film as head armorer, wasn’t the person who handed the gun that was fired to actor Alec Baldwin, according to the affidavits. That deviates from standard practice, say other armorers and film-industry veterans.

Dave Halls, the assistant director who handed Mr. Baldwin the gun, according to the affidavits, shouldn’t have been the one to do so, the experts say. Mr. Halls, Ms. Gutierrez Reed and Mr. Baldwin didn’t follow the typical standard protocols to ensure a gun’s safety on set, according to film-weapons experts and people with industry experience who reviewed the public details.

“Every time we hand off a gun on set to talent, we show the chamber, bore and magazine,” said Chandler Cornblum, vice president of Movie Armaments Group, a Torontobased weapons supplier. “The actor has to signal they accept the gun is empty. Only then do I hand the gun off.”

A call sheet viewed by The Wall Street Journal for the set of “Rust” on Oct. 21, the day the shooting occurred, provides details of the guns on set assigned to different characters: a Colt that Mr. Baldwin’s character uses, a Remington and two other guns whose makes and models aren’t specified. The call sheet also lists a “Sharp rifle,” which likely refers to a Sharps rifle, according to an industry veteran.

A person familiar with the set confirmed Mr. Baldwin was using a Colt revolver when the incident occurred.

The shooting killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42 years old, and wounded director Joel Souza, 48.

Moments before the shooting, Mr. Baldwin was sitting inside the church on the Old West movie set outside Santa Fe, rehearsing a scene, according to one of the affidavits. He reached across his body to pull the revolver from a holster, then pointed the gun at the camera lens, according to the documents released by the sheriff’s office.

Mr. Souza and another crew member said they weren’t certain the gun was checked for safety after a lunch break, according to the affidavits. Mr. Halls grabbed one of three prop guns laid out on a rolling cart and handed it to Mr. Baldwin to film a scene. He yelled “Cold Gun,” indicating the firearm didn’t have live rounds, according to the affidavits. Mr. Baldwin took the gun and fired it, one of the affidavits said. The authorities are still investigating the shooting, including what kind of projectile was fired. The Santa Fe area district attorney, Mary Carmack- Altwies, said Tuesday that her office hasn’t yet determined whether any charges are warranted.

According to a list of inventory collected by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office and filed in Santa Fe Magistrate Court on Monday, a detective obtained boxes of ammunition, nine spent casings and three black revolvers.

According to one of the affidavits, Mr. Souza “stated there should never be live rounds whatsoever near or around the scene.”

A spokesperson for the company created to produce the film, Rust Movie Productions LLC, said that “none of the producers of ‘Rust’ have been contacted by the New Mexico District Attorney’s office.” The company has said that the safety of its cast and crew is its priority and that it was “not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set.” Film production has been halted, and the company has said that it would conduct an internal review of its procedures while production is paused and that it would continue to cooperate with authorities.

Mr. Baldwin has said he is cooperating with the investigation. “There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours,” he said.

Ms. Gutierrez Reed, Mr. Halls and Mr. Souza didn’t respond to requests for comment. Under industry protocols, any gun used for a film is supposed to be transferred by the armorer rather than passed among other people, according to armorers and film-crew veterans. An armorer should be in charge of the weapon at all times and should give it directly to an actor, according to the people who have worked on sets.

A safety meeting involving the armorer and assistant director, who functions as the film’s top safety officer, is typically held when a gun is about to be used, said Mr. Cornblum. Once it is time to film, depending on the scene, the armorer is supposed to shine a flashlight into the gun barrel to show the actor that it is safe and what it is loaded with—namely whether it is empty or has blanks or dummy rounds, according to Mr. Cornblum.

Larry Zanoff, a firearms expert and Hollywood veteran, said: “There shouldn’t be a situation where I walk up and blindly hand you a gun.”

—Joe Flint contributed to this article.
By Ben Kesling, Katherine Sayre and Dan Frosch


LINK

https://www.1stjda.com/

Meet Your District Attorney, Mary Carmack-Altwies

Mary Carmack-Altwies has spent her professional career working to address issues of safety and justice. As a lawyer with expertise in criminal law, Mary has seen both sides of the courtroom, working in the trenches as a public defender in the Santa Fe District Attorney’s office, running her own practice, and as a Deputy District Attorney in the First Judicial District.

A graduate of University of New Mexico School of Law, Mary lives in Santa Fe with her wife Jo, a retired law enforcement officer, and their two energetic young children. Community is important to Mary. She has served as President of her local PTA, has taught at UNM Law School, volunteered with Big Brothers Big Sisters, and served as a legal advocate for survivors of sexual assault.

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
Kind of surprised Baldwin's marksmanship hasn't come up yet. He hit what he aimed at, and then some. As much as I can't stand his views, imo it's not his fault, for reasons many have already stated.

It is absolutely his fault. He broke 2, maybe 3 of the 4 rules.

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Here's Baldwin's "No Rifle Association"

https://www.hollywoodreporter....ra-campaign-1104304/ [QUOTE]Baldwin, who has referred to the Second Amendment as a “law,” has also made plain his distaste for gun rights.

"..... group of Hollywood stars including Alyssa Milano, Amy Schumer and Alec Baldwin have partnered with Parkland, Fla., students, activists and policy experts to launch a new initiative aimed at advocating for gun control and reducing the political influence of the National Rifle Association..."

"... It was signed by over 130 celebrities and activists including Parkland shooting survivors David Hogg and Cameron Kasky, #MeToo founder Tarana Burke, Ashley Judd, W. Kamau Bell, Don Cheadle, Minnie Driver, Jon Favreau, Nathan Fillion, Jordan Horowitz, Jimmy Kimmel, Julianne Moore, Michael Moore, Patton Oswalt, Annabella Sciorra, Jill Soloway, Amber Tamblyn and Constance Wu... "

".... And gun control has proved to be a strong issue with stars and Hollywood creatives, who showed up in force during March for Our Lives events last month. Kim Kardashian, Kanye West, George Clooney and Jimmy Fallon attended the D.C. march, while Connie Britton, Laura Dern, Willow and Jaden Smith and more showed up at the L.A. edition... "

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Mary Carmack-Altwies...lives in Santa Fe with her wife Jo, a retired law enforcement officer, and their two energetic young children.

Just run that by me one more time, please?

The two married women with kids part? The kids could be adopted, or been conceived during a prior relationship with a man, or been artificially inseminated.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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"Alec Baldwin was drawing a revolver across his body and pointing it at a camera during rehearsal on the set of "Rust" when the weapon fired and struck the cinematographer in the chest, according to an affidavit released on Sunday."

I'm glad we finally cleared that up, the weapon is at fault

We all know that is the way people who don't know about guns talk about them. Including the media. Guns "go off" and "fire" without human intervention in the way they talk. We know that isn't true, but complaining about it is like pissing up a rope, especially among us here. We are the proverbial choir who does not need to be preached to.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
The two married women with kids part? The kids could be adopted, or been conceived during a prior relationship with a man, or been artificially inseminated.

Yup..."Their body. Their choice". Just sayin'...

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The account of the fatal shooting on the movie set of “Rust” in affidavits prepared by the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office suggests that some industry-standard safety precautions weren’t followed, say film-weapons experts and industry veterans.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed, the movie’s 24-year-old firearms expert, who had recently completed her first film as head armorer, wasn’t the person who handed the gun that was fired to actor Alec Baldwin, according to the affidavits. That deviates from standard practice, say other armorers and film-industry veterans.

Dave Halls, the assistant director who handed Mr. Baldwin the gun, according to the affidavits, shouldn’t have been the one to do so, the experts say. Mr. Halls, Ms. Gutierrez Reed and Mr. Baldwin didn’t follow the typical standard protocols to ensure a gun’s safety on set, according to film-weapons experts and people with industry experience who reviewed the public details.

And the press move to absolve AB and blame the process has begun....

That's the thing, though- Baldwin can never be absolved, no matter who turns out to be the fall guy and no matter who comes to his rescue or how many excuses they make for him.

Oh, he'll delight in playing the victim. After Mr. Lebowski emerges from seclusion in the West Wing, he'll be asked- somberly- to tell the tragic story- somberly- of how he was misled by a mere underling, a filthy commoner.

Doesn't matter. Baldwin is 63. There will not be enough time for this to be far in the past for him. He knows that no matter who forgives him, there is a substantial portion of the American people who will never let him live this down.

He's already been prosecuted and found guilty in our eyes, and he knows it and there's nothing he can do about it.

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And the press move to absolve AB and blame the process has begun....

Not really: "Mr. Halls, Ms. Gutierrez Reed and Mr. Baldwin didn’t follow the typical standard protocols to ensure a gun’s safety on set..."

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Originally posted by HRK:
And the press move to absolve AB and blame the process has begun....

Not really: "Mr. Halls, Ms. Gutierrez Reed and Mr. Baldwin didn’t follow the typical standard protocols to ensure a gun’s safety on set..."

Depends on how one views that statement, as said in the bond film Specter, "it just a matter of perspective' its one way to see Baldwin named with others, then again, isn't the point that all three failed following the rules.

Will he be found culpable of the death of a co-worker, or, guilty as a member of a group that didn't follow safety protocols..

I agree Para, regardless of the DA's decision, he'll have to live with the fallout, whatever it may be, nightmares, lack of film opportunity, they pulled his narrated Flint film from viewing, his film career is probably done.

My only point is, sharks don't eat their own, and the press and media will surround him for protection until it gets to the point that turning on him creates revenue...

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Originally posted by HRK:
My only point is, sharks don't eat their own, and the press and media will surround him for protection ...

They can try, but it'll do him little good. He is the one who pulled the trigger. He was one of the people who failed to follow established safety protocols. He was one of those responsible for the general lax safety standards on and surrounding the set--if for no other reason than he was one of the producers.

I wrote, a few posts back, that he was only one of several that shared responsibility for this tragedy. With the WSJ article, I now feel he bears most of the responsibility.

I agree on the responsibility, his movie, his company, his staff, his rules, his protocol, and he pointed the gun at the cinematographer and cocked the gun then pulled the trigger.

It's clear how the press has started to build the wall of uncertainty around AB, "it's the process that failed". Out side of the SF walls a few people have come to his defense and blame the armorer explicitly, they can't see blaming a famous movie star....


In no way am I trying to absolve him of culpability, hopefully he gets everything coming to him a non a-lister gun owner who had a mistake happen in his back yard in CA would get.

We shall see how fair justice is in NM....