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Originally posted by lbj:
WWIII might have been prevented with this leak.

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Originally posted by lbj:
There is so much public and political support for this war that the more the American public knows, the better.

Yes, an excellent point.

The kid made a massive mistake and is going to pay a serious price for it. The sad thing is that some of the stuff released should have been covered by the media. Nothing confidential of course but the fact that we have American soldiers fighting Russian soldiers says that we are at war with no declaration of war. You can call it what you want but we are at war which should be a very scary thing for the entire world with the two biggest nuclear superpowers in the world going to battle.

We can all say we knew Russia was winning but that would just be purely a guess based on capability. You certainly are not getting that from the media. The media is most certainly pushing the fact that David is kicking Goliaths ass and apparently that couldn’t be farther from the truth.

I guaranteed the vast majority of Americans have no idea Ukraine is losing 7 soldiers for every 1 Russian soldier or the fact that American soldiers are in combat with Russian soldiers.

Most Americans have been led to believe we have given them supplies and are helping with logistics and battle plans. That seems far removed from what is actually really happening and that much I believe should be known.

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I guaranteed the vast majority of Americans have no idea Ukraine is losing 7 soldiers for every 1 Russian soldier or the fact that American soldiers are in combat with Russian soldiers.

You're right, I've never heard that. What's the link to your info?

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Originally posted by Shaql:
You're right, I've never heard that. What's the link to your info?

It's part of the classified data leaked by the kid, or at least the first part of it is.

Sadly we can only hope that the LSM will properly report these war issues as massive problems with the white houses agenda and our involvement, or the kill ratio.

Most likely they will promote the story with emphasis on the Right Wing Gun Tote'n racist meme sending person that released the classified information.

I’m not sure much could have been “caught” during the SBI.

It’s like a guy with no criminal history buying a gun, shooting his wife and us saying, he should never have had the gun.

I’ve seen people sit for years because of a little question on their SBI, people aren’t pushed through like herded cattle.

I just hope the punishment is swift and severe to prevent more people from all of a sudden becoming righteous and educated the world.

Lastly, as has already been said, there is no doubt we get lied to, but you also wouldn’t want the full population of America knowing a lot of classified stuff. Reactions are already wildly varied and often ignorant or dangerous. Imagine if those folks really knew what was going on day to day.

I had a TS both as an Army civilian and a weekender in the Air National Guard. I've been retired close to six years now but I often view federal sites.

This article (from 2020, sorry) talks about "continuous evaluation" but - surprisingly - does not mention social media.

DCSA continues to highlight the effectiveness of finding potential issues before a traditional periodic reinvestigation would have identified them. CE alerts flag issues, on average, at seven years and one month for Secret clearance holders and two years and seven months for Top Secret clearance holders—both well earlier than the traditional 5- and 10-year reinvestigation timelines. Among the issues flagged are criminal conduct, financial considerations, alcohol consumption, and drug involvement. It’s worth noting that just because an issue is flagged under CE it doesn’t necessarily trigger a security clearance denial. CE alerts trigger a review, which may or may not trigger an investigation, which then may or may not result in a notice of security clearance denial.

Complete article

https://www.govexec.com/workfo...s-evaluation/166951/

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Shaql:
You're right, I've never heard that. What's the link to your info?

It's part of the classified data leaked by the kid, or at least the first part of it is.

Where exactly? I've read two different articles that don't claim this.

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents suggest that up to 354,000 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers have been killed or injured since the start of the full-scale invasion, Reuters reported on April 12.
According to Reuters, the documents allege that between 15,500-17,500 Ukrainian troops were killed and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action.
Russia is believed to have 35,500-43,000 forces killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded, Reuters added.
Neither the Ukrainian nor the Russian military have provided clear information on their number of casualties."

With the amount of classified material recently found in people's homes, it appears that there is a breakdown in how classified material is being handled.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Shaql:
You're right, I've never heard that. What's the link to your info?

It's part of the classified data leaked by the kid, or at least the first part of it is.

Where exactly? I've read two different articles that don't claim this.

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents suggest that up to 354,000 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers have been killed or injured since the start of the full-scale invasion, Reuters reported on April 12.
According to Reuters, the documents allege that between 15,500-17,500 Ukrainian troops were killed and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action.
Russia is believed to have 35,500-43,000 forces killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded, Reuters added.
Neither the Ukrainian nor the Russian military have provided clear information on their number of casualties."

According to Reuters...

This person might be considered a kid (not mentally mature) by some but still he is a "traitor" no matter how u look at it.. Now the news media is saying he is subject "up to 13 years of prison time"... Why only "13" years????. Should be life with no possibility of any form of release..... But would not suprise me if he actually serves that sentence because of some cockamamy defense about his troubled childhood and suffering some mental defect..... I say bullshit.. Make a example out of him.... He did the crime now he can do the time...Every long last minute of it..... Quit letting all of these people being arrested and charged with serious crimes be they white collar / blue collar / physical injury / death / drug related / etc with just a slap on the wrist and request to go forth and sin no more.. .............. drill sgt.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Shaql:
You're right, I've never heard that. What's the link to your info?

It's part of the classified data leaked by the kid, or at least the first part of it is.

Where exactly? I've read two different articles that don't claim this.

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents suggest that up to 354,000 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers have been killed or injured since the start of the full-scale invasion, Reuters reported on April 12.
According to Reuters, the documents allege that between 15,500-17,500 Ukrainian troops were killed and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action.
Russia is believed to have 35,500-43,000 forces killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded, Reuters added.
Neither the Ukrainian nor the Russian military have provided clear information on their number of casualties."

According to Reuters...

OK So if you don't believe Reuters, provide another source for the 7 to 1 ratio.

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Originally posted by lbj:
WWIII might have been prevented with this leak.

Russia is winning the war in Ukraine (always has) and our leaders are lying to us about the situation. And why do we have special forces on the ground there?

If anyone can point to a URL that has this I would like to read it.


At this point Putin Xi et al are laughing their asses off so... the American public should see it.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

I guaranteed the vast majority of Americans have no idea Ukraine is losing 7 soldiers for every 1 Russian soldier or the fact that American soldiers are in combat with Russian soldiers.

7-1? That is a made up figure.

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Originally posted by Broadside:

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Shaql:
You're right, I've never heard that. What's the link to your info?

It's part of the classified data leaked by the kid, or at least the first part of it is.

Where exactly? I've read two different articles that don't claim this.

"Leaked U.S. intelligence documents suggest that up to 354,000 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers have been killed or injured since the start of the full-scale invasion, Reuters reported on April 12.
According to Reuters, the documents allege that between 15,500-17,500 Ukrainian troops were killed and 109,000-113,500 wounded in action.
Russia is believed to have 35,500-43,000 forces killed in action and 154,000-180,000 wounded, Reuters added.
Neither the Ukrainian nor the Russian military have provided clear information on their number of casualties."

According to Reuters...

OK So if you don't believe Reuters, provide another source for the 7 to 1 ratio.

I've made NO claims on this whatsoever (other than to express my distrust for ANYTHING from Reuters), but because you demanded...

https://www.washingtontimes.co...ntagon-papers-again/

From the article:

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"In all, about 50 documents appear to have been printed off a computer and taken out of a secure federal facility and then photographed. The photos were then uploaded to various websites. The essence of the revelations is that Russia is killing seven Ukrainian troops for every one of its own that Ukrainians are killing, Ukrainian air defenses are projected to collapse totally by the end of next month, and the U.S. has excellent sources of Russian military plans, so good that the Pentagon is able to inform its Ukrainian counterparts of Russian troop movements and air assaults before they occur.

Do the math. A 7-to-1 kill ratio is a slaughter that cannot endure much longer. So, when Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin tells the Senate Armed Services Committee he expects Ukraine to do well militarily this spring and next winter, how can he reconcile his statements to that kill ratio?"

There's also this Tucker Carlson quote, which was posted by chellim1 in the 'Idiot Biden War Propaganda' thread:

“The second thing we learned from these slides is that despite direct U.S. involvement, Ukraine is in fact losing the war. Seven Ukrainians are being killed for every Russian. Ukrainian air defenses have been utterly degraded. Ukraine is losing.”

Here's the opening monologue re: the Leak of the Classified Pentagon Documents which was the source of the quote:

Isn't the claim that these documents were first posted in Russian telegram accounts and thus could've been modified by Russians for propaganda?

Just assume the opposite is true of whatever is being reported and that justice is only for targeted groups (Just US). You will be far closer to what is actually going on.

If you do a google search, you can find wildly divergent estimates of casualties on both sides. This estimate is four days old and is as good as any I have seen. It suggests twice as many Russians have been killed as Ukrainians.

https://www.businessinsider.co...ked-documents-2023-4

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you can find wildly divergent estimates of casualties on both sides

That statement right there proves the point about this conflict. There is no way to discern the truth about what's actually happening in Ukraine! People are even questioning the veracity of the Classified Pentagon Documents.

There is NO trusted media source. NOTHING is reliable...It's all Propaganda!


Here's the opposite view for those that prefer 'Ukrainian propaganda'...

https://www.washingtonexaminer...ing-counteroffensive

From the article:

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UKRAINE CLAIMS 7-to-1 KILL RATIO: Ukraine’s strategy in committing to the defense of Bakhmut, despite its questionable strategic values, is to inflict demoralizing losses on Russian forces in what currently is a largely stalemated war of attrition.

Ukraine claims that it has been able to kill or grievously wound seven Russian troops for every loss of a single Ukrainian soldier.

Its treasonous but our general populace doesnt have the stomach for what really needs to be done.