They are not police. They are not employed by the police force. Months ago they were ordered to not call themselves police or wear anything with the world "police" on it.

Start off:
Q: Are aviation police part of the Chicago Police Department?
A: No. They're with the Chicago Department of Aviation.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20170413-story.html

The aviation officers work for the city but not the Police Department, and they earn between $50,000 and $88,000 a year. They are trained at the Police Department academy, but not for as long a period as cadets that become city police officers. They don't carry guns, though before Sunday night some aldermen were pushing to allow the officers to carry guns.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireS...port-police-46790388

Chicago’s aviation officers are not part of the regular police force, unlike in many other big cities. They get less training than regular officers and can’t carry firearms inside the airports. Three of them were put on leave amid outrage over how they treated the passenger.
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/...-united-controversy/

Evans said the officers were ordered in January to take the word "Police" off their jackets in favor of "Security," but that nobody followed through. Millions of people saw the word "Police" on the officers' jackets in the video of Kentucky physician David Dao being dragged off the jet.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireS...port-police-46790388

Chicago Aviation Commissioner Ginger Evans says the officers even defied her order not to call themselves police.
“We ordered them to not use the word police, to use the word security,” she said.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/20...y-force-needs-to-go/

Oh look, they did miss the part of the training not to curb stomp passengers.

This game is over.

The air police are good as sued, United has a full on shit sandwich to eat and the pilots union will be blaming someone else for calling in the bouncers.

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They are not police. They are not employed by the police force. Months ago they were ordered to not call themselves police or wear anything with the world "police" on it.

So why haven't all of these impostors been arrested by the "real police"?

That is illegal, isn't it? Saying you're the police when you're not?

And if they have been "ordered" by whomever orders such things to not be the police, why do the local elected officials keep referring to them as "police"?

See all of the references in this article dated 48 hours ago:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20170413-story.html

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Jeff Redding, deputy commissioner of safety and security for the city's Department of Aviation, told aldermen that operating procedures bar aviation officers

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At one point, he sarcastically asked John Slater, United's vice president of operations at O'Hare, if passengers who refused to get off the plane are "told that they could be dragged off the plane by law-enforcement officers and have their teeth knocked out and their nose broken and their head concussed."

I'm sure much of the litigation that will ensue from this will focus on exactly what authority the Chicago airport "police" actually did have in this situation once they were called on board the plane.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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They are not police. They are not employed by the police force. Months ago they were ordered to not call themselves police or wear anything with the world "police" on it.

So why haven't all of these impostors been arrested by the "real police"?

That is illegal, isn't it? Saying you're the police when you're not?

And if they have been "ordered" by whomever orders such things to not be the police, why do the local elected officials keep referring to them as "police"?

See all of the references in this article dated 48 hours ago:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20170413-story.html

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Jeff Redding, deputy commissioner of safety and security for the city's Department of Aviation, told aldermen that operating procedures bar aviation officers

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At one point, he sarcastically asked John Slater, United's vice president of operations at O'Hare, if passengers who refused to get off the plane are "told that they could be dragged off the plane by law-enforcement officers and have their teeth knocked out and their nose broken and their head concussed."

All we can do is read the news and hope they are doing a good job of reporting facts. None of us are there investigating any of this. Why do you think any of us, including yourself, have any answers?

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
if they have been "ordered" by whomever orders such things to not be the police, why do the local elected officials keep referring to them as "police"?

Just because somebody is a "local elected official," it does not mean that they actually know anything. Didn't we just get rid of a U.S. president who was elected not once, but twice, and who did not know shit from Shinola?

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Originally posted by Paten:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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They are not police. They are not employed by the police force. Months ago they were ordered to not call themselves police or wear anything with the world "police" on it.

So why haven't all of these impostors been arrested by the "real police"?

That is illegal, isn't it? Saying you're the police when you're not?

And if they have been "ordered" by whomever orders such things to not be the police, why do the local elected officials keep referring to them as "police"?

See all of the references in this article dated 48 hours ago:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20170413-story.html

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Jeff Redding, deputy commissioner of safety and security for the city's Department of Aviation, told aldermen that operating procedures bar aviation officers

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At one point, he sarcastically asked John Slater, United's vice president of operations at O'Hare, if passengers who refused to get off the plane are "told that they could be dragged off the plane by law-enforcement officers and have their teeth knocked out and their nose broken and their head concussed."

All we can do is read the news and hope they are doing a good job of reporting facts. None of us are there investigating any of this. Why do you think any of us, including yourself, have any answers?

This is a discussion forum...

That's right. Links have been posted that say they are not police but others also posted where they are still called police. Discuss it all you like but nobody here is going to have the definitive answer until lawsuits are filed and judgements are made.

This thread is starting to remind me of the 'bounty hunter' thread of 10 years ago --- back when there was question about where they could and could not go, and how they behave toward those not specifically 'wanted' by them.

this has already been mentioned above, but here is more detail on how screwed up the situation with the Aviation "police" has become

http://chicago.suntimes.com/ne...ll-airport-policies/

Chicago Department of Aviation Commissioner Ginger Evans

Evans evasive testimony at a City Council hearing exposed broader questions about the state of security at O’Hare and Midway airports.

Evans revealed that she had ordered aviation security officers — who have been lobbying for the right to carry guns with Burke as their champion — to remove the word “police” from their uniforms.

“In a directive in January, we ordered them to not use the word ‘police.’ To use the word ‘security’ on their jackets,” Evans said.

But Burke pointedly noted what the videos show: that the word “police” was still on the uniform of at least one officer involved in removing 69-year-old Dr. David Dao

“Incorrectly,” the commissioner interjected.

Burke countered, “Your officer was wearing a jacket with the word ‘police’ on it. Why didn’t you enforce your order?”

Evans sheepishly replied, “That’s one of the questions that we will be reviewing. There’s already been significant discussion. . . . I would prefer to answer that at a later time. All of that is under review.”

Evans talked so softly, she was difficult to hear

In January, shortly after a mass shooting in Florida at the Fort Lauderdale airport, aviation security officers were sent an email saying they wouldn’t be dispatched to any disturbances outside of secured areas at O’Hare, according to a CNN report. In December 2015, CNN reported that aviation police had been trained to run and hide if they were to confront a gunman.

Burke grilled Evans and her aides, asking them for the “general orders” that apply to aviation security officers.

O’Hare security chief Jeff Redding told the aldermen there were none, only “standard operating procedures.” Burke then asked for the “standard operating procedure” that applies to use of force.

“I’ll have to get back to you on that,” Redding said

Burke was incensed. “So, you’re the deputy commissioner and you’re in charge of safety and security for Chicago’s airports. . . . And you’re not aware of whether or not there is a use of force order . . . that is distributed to your officers,” Burke said.

Redding replied that the standard operating procedure for aviation security officers dates back to 2008 and it’s in the process of being updated. “We’re going through that piece-by-piece right now,” he said.

Redding also revealed that it is not the city’s policy to “interfere” when airlines have customer service issues. But, when a security issue arises, aviation security officers are told to detain the customer until Chicago Police officers arrive.

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what a mess

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
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They are not police. They are not employed by the police force. Months ago they were ordered to not call themselves police or wear anything with the world "police" on it.

So why haven't all of these impostors been arrested by the "real police"?

That is illegal, isn't it? Saying you're the police when you're not?

And if they have been "ordered" by whomever orders such things to not be the police, why do the local elected officials keep referring to them as "police"?

Partly this is explained by "Its Chicago." Corruption, patronage and the Daley machine in operation. This is how the Aviation Security got started. (From the posted links)

"If the aviation department's police force disbands it would bring to an end a decidedly Chicago story. The police force was started decades ago when the long-running Mayor Richard J. Daley allowed the chief of his bodyguard detail to retire and start an airport security force manned by people who, according to Zalewski, knew the right people at City Hall.

Even if the force survives, Burke suggested the officers' job won't be the same.

"Chicago employees should not be doing the dirty work for the Friendly Skies airline," he said."

No doubt the bodyguard established the trappings of a police force using city employees. As with any entrached bureaucracy (empire) forcing change is difficult. When the organization "knows the right people at city hall," it's very hard.

I don't pretend to know enough about this situation, but I think it's possible that people conflate the term "officer" with
"policeman". And I'll go so far as to say it's deliberately used in many cases to project an aura of authority.

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I think it's possible that people conflate the term "officer" with "policeman"

What's the difference? What makes an officer not a policeman, or a policeman not an officer?

Being in St. Louis, I'm very familiar with private security firms, and the "officers" that they employ. None of them are government entities that require their employees to attend the police academy.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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I think it's possible that people conflate the term "officer" with "policeman"

What's the difference? What makes an officer not a policeman, or a policeman not an officer?

Being in St. Louis, I'm very familiar with private security firms, and the "officers" that they employ. None of them are government entities that require their employees to attend the police academy.

The difference? IDK..licensing, accreditation, charter, something else? An officer is a title that doesn't necessarily convey power although it implies authority. It's like the term "agent". I'm simply wondering if the press has muted the title of "officer" to into "policeman", leading to the confusion.

I might be missing something-I'm not for sure what your location has to do regarding familiarity with private security firms.

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I'm not for sure what your location has to do regarding familiarity with private security firms.

Some keep saying that this is what the guys in the video were. Private security, or some other sort of non-police security force.

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The difference? IDK..licensing, accreditation, charter, something else?

And those who keep claiming those in the video are not the police ignore the fact that those in the video have all of those things.

All I know is that when I'm approached in a very public place, by a person(s) in a uniform, and a badge or other uniform markings that says police, I'm going to treat them as if they are the "real" police.

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And those who keep claiming those in the video are not the police ignore the fact that those in the video have all of those things.

NO, they do not.

Read the links and stop making things up.

They have less training and are not allowed weapons. They don't even know if they were even allowed on the plane whatsoever. They were ORDERED to remove the word police off their persons and ignored the order.

That is a shit show, not a police force.

Yeah, they are a police force. At least this week.

What this smells like is that the City wanted a police force, but none of the responsibility or liability. How's that working out for them.

The officers (or whatever you want to call them) have to have a state academy certificate. It just really sounds as if this outfit have been a problem for a while, and based upon the articles, steps were made to shut them down, or whatever.

As some of our CPD bro's have already posted in this thread, they are likely gonna be done after this.....

Not defending them, but in Kentucky they would be considered the po-leece from a statutory standpoint. From the reading what the CPD guys have written in this thread, it is the same there.