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Originally posted by Brett B:....So to summarize your position here: Since you are too important...rolleyes:

I think that sums it up.

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:...You pay to see a movie and the movie is sold out. You go to your seat, dig into the popcorn and an employee tells you you have to leave. There are other, more important guests who showed up late and would like to watch the movie, so you have to leave. The theater will gladly exchange your tickets for tomorrow's show. If you do not vacate the seat you paid for, the police will be called for this civil matter and arrest you for not following their directions to vacate the theater.

Good point, there is a slight difference. Airplanes are much more common targets for terrorist threats than are movie theaters, hence the heightened security issue of arrest first and ask questions later.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:....The flight was not overbooked, so that is a non issue pertaining to the need of 4 seats to move aircrew for a "down level" flight in order to continue flow of hundreds of numbers of passengers vs the 4 affected on this flight.

So, someone hops on the PA and says something like this...."L&G, we have urgent need to seat 4 Flight crew members that must get to the destination in order to service flights going forward that will affect hundreds or thousands of passengers......we will be asking for volunteers to be compensated and rebooked as quickly as possible......We do not wish to have to make this selection ourselves without first giving every oportunity to our customers to volunteer.....Thank you (and all that polite stuff)"

Most people are willing to "be of service" and will go out of their way and be inconvenienced if it is handled properly......A whole lot of damage done that could and should have been avoided.....

Excellent post (hope you don't mind if I condensed it).

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Good point, there is a slight difference. Airplanes are much more common targets for terrorist threats than are movie theaters,

Not if you live in Colorado and want to see Batman!

Turns out the "police" in this case weren't police. They don't carry guns. That also explains the mix of uniform and civilian clothes.

"The City Council is looking for answers about the embarrassing video that has been seen around the world. At the top of the list of questions is whether the airport officers even had the legal authority to board the plane, said Alderman Michael Zalewski, who leads the council's aviation committee.

"They are allowed in the terminal and baggage area, but my understanding is they may not be allowed on a plane," he said. Zalewski also said that he is not sure if the officers have the authority to make arrests or if they are authorized only to write tickets.

An Aviation Department spokeswoman did not respond to questions about the duties of the aviation police force, but Zalewski said the agency's commissioner will be asked that on Thursday.

The department will also be asked about training. Zalewski said airport officers receive four months of training compared with the six months cadets must complete before joining the city's police department.

"We don't know what that two-month gap means," he said, adding that he will ask if the airport officers receive the same kind of training in de-escalating tense situations that city police officers get.

The roughly 300 aviation police officers earn between $50,000 and $88,000 a year and cost the city about $19 million a year. They are city employees but not members of the Chicago Police Department.

The agency's history is a decidedly Chicago story. According to Zalewski, the force was created years ago by the legendary Mayor Richard J. Daley."
http://q13fox.com/2017/04/13/u...-dragged-off-flight/

Lots of clear thinking going on in that airport, I see.

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"They are allowed in the terminal and baggage area, but my understanding is they may not be allowed on a plane," he said. Zalewski also said that he is not sure if the officers have the authority to make arrests or if they are authorized only to write tickets.

We should probably go ahead and give that to pilots too, along with a Taser.

Sheesh, what a shitshow this is going to turn into. Or more accurately an even bigger one.

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Originally posted by Icabod:
Turns out the "police" in this case weren't police. They don't carry guns. That also explains the mix of uniform and civilian clothes.

The agency's history is a decidedly Chicago story. According to Zalewski, the force was created years ago by the legendary Mayor Richard J. Daley."
http://q13fox.com/2017/04/13/u...-dragged-off-flight/

Thank you for posting this. That was a major question I was looking for an answer to. Guess the City will be on the hook for some dough as well based on the actions of these "officers."

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Originally posted by Palm:

Thank you for posting this. That was a major question I was looking for an answer to. Guess the City will be on the hook for some dough as well based on the actions of these "officers."

If the two badgebearers went beyond the scope of their authority, probably not. This is, however, the first sound of bus tyres rolling over thode two.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Did other "news" networks cover that press conference out of Chicago, or was it just Fox?

Caught it live on Facebook. One point was that the law n the case prohibits excessive violence. As Dr. Dao's lost two front teeth, had a broken nose and a concussion, a reasonable person might call the excessive.

Some people are too impressed with their own importance. For them, the world consists of their royal selves versus the raggedy assed masses, the peons. The United CEO's initial response dripped with that kind of "let them eat cake" arrogance.

They weren't even real police?

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
If it was THAT bloody important to get the crew members wherever the fuck they were going, United should have offered four first-class unrestricted Around the World tickets to the first four people to make it back up the jetway to the waiting area.

Mind you, today we would be reading about one hundred forty-seven people trampled to death on a United Airlines flight....

This +10000

You fucked up, then were too cheap to correct it properly, and then fucked it up some more. You wanted to get off cheap with some $800 voucher you can only use on Tuesdays on a 3 stop layover flight to Hoboken, and everyone said shove it. Like you said, if they offered some first class anywhere open ended tickets, I guarantee they would have had volunteers. And if was as critical and mandated as the airlines employees are claiming, it still would have been worth it for its own sake, not even counting how much better it would have been instead of this fustercluck.

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
If it was THAT bloody important to get the crew members wherever the fuck they were going, United should have offered four first-class unrestricted Around the World tickets to the first four people to make it back up the jetway to the waiting area.

Mind you, today we would be reading about one hundred forty-seven people trampled to death on a United Airlines flight....

This +10000

You fucked up, then were too cheap to correct it properly, and then fucked it up some more. You wanted to get off cheap with some $800 voucher you can only use on Tuesdays on a 3 stop layover flight to Hoboken, and everyone said shove it. Like you said, if they offered some first class anywhere open ended tickets, I guarantee they would have had volunteers. And if was as critical and mandated as the airlines customers are claiming, it still would have been worth it for its own sake, not even counting how much better it would have been instead of this fustercluck.

You guys don't understand...There's fine print involved and that seat you paid for doesn't belong to you!

If you only had a family member who worked for the airlines you would understand!

Sarcasm aside - yes, that would have garnered more volunteers than they could have accommodated and cost them about .01% of what it is going to end up costing them.

The thread is proof why lawyers need to battle this out in the court, although I think for perceptions sake it will end up in a large settlement for the Dr.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...ited-flight-n2313130

In a press conference on Thursday, Thomas Demetrio, the lawyer for the man dragged off a flight on Monday, described the injuries his client Dr. David Dao received in the incident.

Dao lost his two front teeth, received a concussion, and severely broke his nose.

According to Demetrio, Dao will need facial reconstruction surgery, but has been discharged from the hospital. Dao does not have memories of running back onto the plane due to his concussion.

Demetrio also called United's eventual apology "staged" and an attempt at damage control--but that the Dao family does accept the public apology issued to them.

I caught part of the news conference with the attorney. He mentioned that Dr Dao fled Vietnam when Saigon fell and spent 37(?) days at sea unsure if he would survive. This event was worse...

Ka Ching!

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Originally posted by Icabod:.....Caught it live on Facebook. One point was that the law n the case prohibits excessive violence. As Dr. Dao's lost two front teeth, had a broken nose and a concussion, a reasonable person might call the excessive.

Seems the cost to resolve this matter keeps going higher. Abuse of power is getting very expensive here.

That lawyer was doing his best Clarence Darrow impersonation ...

Not that he doesn't have a case, but that was a "media event" in every theatrical sense.