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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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It will probably wobble a bit once they get the track down. It will swing a like a pendulum.
Remember, that 5 day forecast is still a bit sketchy. The 3 day is the only one that they really have a lot of confidence in.

That is correct. There is even variation in the three day track, and after that some eye wobbles and such. It is actually fairly recent that the NHC has published the five day track. I would NOT focus on the exact track.

Katrina hit the Mississippi Gulf Coast on a Monday morning. The forecast on the prior Friday was for a direct hit on the Florida Panhandle. NHC changed the track late that Friday to our area. There is still room for error.

Ten years ago, Hurricane Charlie jogged east and in 90 minutes went from a cat 2 to a cat 4 and made land fall 100 miles south of all predictions. Don't take your eyes off of this storm.

Just learned that when there's a state of emergency in Florida, ammo and gun sales are illegal. AND you can't carry concealed.

870.044 Automatic emergency measures.—Whenever the public official declares that a state of emergency exists, pursuant to s. 870.043, the following acts shall be prohibited during the period of said emergency throughout the jurisdiction:
(1) The sale of, or offer to sell, with or without consideration, any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(2) The intentional display, after the emergency is declared, by or in any store or shop of any ammunition or gun or other firearm of any size or description.
(3) The intentional possession in a public place of a firearm by any person, except a duly authorized law enforcement official or person in military service acting in the official performance of her or his duty.

Nothing contained in this chapter shall be construed to authorize the seizure, taking, or confiscation of firearms that are lawfully possessed, unless a person is engaged in a criminal act.



870.043 Declaration of emergency.—Whenever the sheriff or designated city official determines that there has been an act of violence or a flagrant and substantial defiance of, or resistance to, a lawful exercise of public authority and that, on account thereof, there is reason to believe that there exists a clear and present danger of a riot or other general public disorder, widespread disobedience of the law, and substantial injury to persons or to property, all of which constitute an imminent threat to public peace or order and to the general welfare of the jurisdiction affected or a part or parts thereof, he or she may declare that a state of emergency exists within that jurisdiction or any part or parts thereof.

It would e really nice if it jogged enough east that the eastern eyeball stays offshore. It's going to be rough but that would take a bit of the worst of it away from land.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Just learned that when there's a state of emergency in Florida, ... you can't carry concealed.

That would preclude me from traveling down there to help, post-disaster, were I so-inclined. I no longer go anywhere unarmed, willingly.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Just learned that when there's a state of emergency in Florida, ... you can't carry concealed.

That would preclude me from traveling down there to help, post-disaster, were I so-inclined. I no longer go anywhere unarmed, willingly.

You'd think a state of emergency would be the time when they'd want people to carry....if a situation arises, the cops won't be coming quickly, if at all

Hurricane doesn't fit the description of emergency that you quote.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
Just learned that when there's a state of emergency in Florida, ... you can't carry concealed.

That would preclude me from traveling down there to help, post-disaster, were I so-inclined. I no longer go anywhere unarmed, willingly.

We used to have that stupid law here in NC too, but thankfully that was changed a few years ago.

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You'd think a state of emergency would be the time when they'd want people to carry....if a situation arises, the cops won't be coming quickly, if at all

I am not sure about that. This appears to conflict with an earlier statement in the thread. I do not live in Florida so I do not know. I wish someone who lives in Florida would clarify.

Yes, in this thread there's conflicting information on the subject.

http://www.guns.com/2015/05/22...oncealed-carry-bill/

"...Now law is a measure to allow law-abiding citizens without concealed carry licenses to bear arms during declared mandatory evacuations. ..."


The key is "...while in the act of evacuating..."

If you live in and are strolling down the beach in Pensacola, and the po-leece stops you and finds you gots a gat and no concealed permit, you gonna get in trubble, misdemeanor style.


(Below, the bold is mine to highlight)


The 2017 Florida Statutes


Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 790
WEAPONS AND FIREARMS
View Entire Chapter
790.01 Unlicensed carrying of concealed weapons or concealed firearms.—
(1) Except as provided in subsection (3), a person who is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed weapon or electric weapon or device on or about his or her person commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(2) Except as provided in subsection (3), a person who is not licensed under s. 790.06 and who carries a concealed firearm on or about his or her person commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3) This section does not apply to:
(a) A person who carries a concealed weapon, or a person who may lawfully possess a firearm and who carries a concealed firearm, on or about his or her person while in the act of evacuating during a mandatory evacuation order issued during a state of emergency declared by the Governor pursuant to chapter 252 or declared by a local authority pursuant to chapter 870. As used in this subsection, the term “in the act of evacuating” means the immediate and urgent movement of a person away from the evacuation zone within 48 hours after a mandatory evacuation is ordered. The 48 hours may be extended by an order issued by the Governor.
(b) A person who carries for purposes of lawful self-defense, in a concealed manner:
1. A self-defense chemical spray.
2. A nonlethal stun gun or dart-firing stun gun or other nonlethal electric weapon or device that is designed solely for defensive purposes.
(4) This section does not preclude any prosecution for the use of an electric weapon or device, a dart-firing stun gun, or a self-defense chemical spray during the commission of any criminal offense under s. 790.07, s. 790.10, s. 790.23, or s. 790.235, or for any other criminal offense.
History.—s. 1, ch. 4929, 1901; GS 3262; RGS 5095; CGL 7197; s. 1, ch. 67-165; s. 2, ch. 69-306; s. 739, ch. 71-136; s. 2, ch. 76-165; s. 3, ch. 80-268; s. 2, ch. 92-183; s. 2, ch. 97-72; s. 1203, ch. 97-102; s. 5, ch. 2004-286; s. 2, ch. 2006-298; s. 1, ch. 2015-44.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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You'd think a state of emergency would be the time when they'd want people to carry....if a situation arises, the cops won't be coming quickly, if at all

I am not sure about that. This appears to conflict with an earlier statement in the thread. I do not live in Florida so I do not know. I wish someone who lives in Florida would clarify.

Yeah, as monkey said, one is referring to an evacuation order and the other a state of emergency.

And I can't think of a more urgent time to carry than during a state of emergency.

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The key is "...while in the act of evacuating

Evacuating can mean many things. I have often heard the term in gastrointestinal contexts. LOL


Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah I don't think people much care what that old Florida law says.

Zero fucks given and I'm confident 99% of the police feel the same way.

Everyone who carries is still carrying folks.

Interesting. My across the street neighbor owns a gun store, told me on Wednesday that business was booming and he didn't want to evacuate just yet. He's the local Glock and Sig LEO dealer.

Yeah I don't think there will be a whole lot of enforcing that law.

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Originally posted by Chowser:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:His wife doesn't have a D/L?

They have no car and no licenses. She's almost 21 and he's 26. They both got their temporary licenses when they got to Fort Bragg. They're planning on getting around to it eventually.

Once this is all over, I'm going to make sure they get them and a car.

Wow, that sucks. Next time I'd recommend the Greyhound bus.

It's deja vu, all over again...

Look at them Gogh.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/556...6001/?#sp=show-clips

South Florida in Hurricane Irma's bullseye

Sep. 07, 2017 - 7:36 - Forecasters fear powerful storm will make direct hit on Florida's highly developed population center

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Wow, that sucks. Next time I'd recommend the Greyhound bus.

Different generation. Those of us with World War II Dads would not even attempt to make the phone call. My Dad would suggest I ride my bike if I was that unprepared.

We carry and I've moved up to my HK with a bit more capacity. AR and mini are out of safe and accessible. Looting after is going to be problem. Wife now carries 100% even around house.