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J.R.R. Tolkien toyed with many different ideas for the origin of the Orcs, and in one telling they were in fact fallen Elves. This concept made its way into The Silmarillion. Adar pretty clearly, at this point, seems to be one for me. Certainly he could procreate for Orc creation for a long time. Typically elves didn't have many children, but with a mission perhaps this is different for him. Would think, like Elrond's brother, there is the los of elven immortality for them, and, fallen and defiled as they are, that elven longevity would not be offered to them by Eru Iluvatar. No one knows how long orcs can actually live, but I've thought for a long time that there would be some potentially quite long lived - losses to battles and in-fighting not withstanding.




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I also remember reading that Tolkien said the goblins in the Hobbit are also orcs. And then he said they are a different species.

And having orcs be fallen elves, vs seeing them pulled from the mud in the Fellowship of the Ring.


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And having orcs be fallen elves, vs seeing them pulled from the mud in the Fellowship of the Ring.


Are you talking about the birthing scene for the Uruk-hai? I thought those were crossbreeds.


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And having orcs be fallen elves, vs seeing them pulled from the mud in the Fellowship of the Ring.


Are you talking about the birthing scene for the Uruk-hai? I thought those were crossbreeds.


That scene.


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Who knew!?! Mithril can cure a sick tree or a sick elf!



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The plot arc is getting more convoluted and bizarre, making less sense all the time.

We could have had the Kinslayings, the battles of Beleriand, Beren and Lúthien! But no. We got this. Whole fucking book full of epic stories and they’re making up shit about the origins of Mithril.

Galadriel is a condescending twat, I can’t stand her. Totally one dimensional. Of course they had to write some gay shit in there. “Give me the meat, and give it to me raw.Roll Eyes

Seeing some speculation that Halbrand will eventually become the King of Angmar. We know where that goes.


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The dialogue is distinctly....NOT Tolkien. The Harfoots are mindnumbingly stupid, the humans in the Southland make no sense, Numanor can't seem to get out of its own way and the elf/dwarf scenes are painstakingly uninteresting.

Good grief are some of the storylines horrible, not to mention the pace and tempo is, painfully slow. After each ponderous episode, makes you appreciate how Jackson was able to condense and polish the script for the LOTR trilogy.
 
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... the pace and tempo is, painfully slow.

You can say that again.

I've read The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy, but not The Silmarillion so I can't speak to how poorly it's being treated. But, the storylines are moving at a glacial pace. Episode 5 was by far the worst.


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At this point I could only recommend watching if you have some very decent hallucinogens in your system. Preferably the giggle kind.

Oh, and plenty of sweety-chewy and salty-crunchy.
 
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As for the billion dollars that this was suppose to cost; there HAS to be someone sitting on beach in Belize drinking tropical drinks who embezzled a crap ton of money. That is really the only explanation for how bad this it........Well there is possibility that Rings of Power were actually made by truly incompetent and stupid people. The embezzled money thought at least makes me think that someone enjoyed doing this show.

Another thing: the horrendous fight/sparring scene was made up of the BEST cuts and film they could manage......that tells you how bad it was.

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... the pace and tempo is, painfully slow.

You can say that again.

I've read The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy, but not The Silmarillion so I can't speak to how poorly it's being treated. But, the storylines are moving at a glacial pace. Episode 5 was by far the worst.


I'm forced to agree. It's been another hour and we're still in the harbor. The orcs are still in the town. The tension built for a three episodes and then the troll is like, "ok ok, let's go ask my dad" in 3 minutes flat.
 
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