J.R.R. Tolkien toyed with many different ideas for the origin of the Orcs, and in one telling they were in fact fallen Elves. This concept made its way into The Silmarillion. Adar pretty clearly, at this point, seems to be one for me. Certainly he could procreate for Orc creation for a long time. Typically elves didn't have many children, but with a mission perhaps this is different for him. Would think, like Elrond's brother, there is the los of elven immortality for them, and, fallen and defiled as they are, that elven longevity would not be offered to them by Eru Iluvatar. No one knows how long orcs can actually live, but I've thought for a long time that there would be some potentially quite long lived - losses to battles and in-fighting not withstanding.

I also remember reading that Tolkien said the goblins in the Hobbit are also orcs. And then he said they are a different species.

And having orcs be fallen elves, vs seeing them pulled from the mud in the Fellowship of the Ring.

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And having orcs be fallen elves, vs seeing them pulled from the mud in the Fellowship of the Ring.

Are you talking about the birthing scene for the Uruk-hai? I thought those were crossbreeds.

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And having orcs be fallen elves, vs seeing them pulled from the mud in the Fellowship of the Ring.

Are you talking about the birthing scene for the Uruk-hai? I thought those were crossbreeds.

That scene.

Who knew!?! Mithril can cure a sick tree or a sick elf!

The plot arc is getting more convoluted and bizarre, making less sense all the time.

We could have had the Kinslayings, the battles of Beleriand, Beren and Lúthien! But no. We got this. Whole fucking book full of epic stories and they’re making up shit about the origins of Mithril.

Galadriel is a condescending twat, I can’t stand her. Totally one dimensional. Of course they had to write some gay shit in there. “Give me the meat, and give it to me raw.”

Seeing some speculation that Halbrand will eventually become the King of Angmar. We know where that goes.

The dialogue is distinctly....NOT Tolkien. The Harfoots are mindnumbingly stupid, the humans in the Southland make no sense, Numanor can't seem to get out of its own way and the elf/dwarf scenes are painstakingly uninteresting.

Good grief are some of the storylines horrible, not to mention the pace and tempo is, painfully slow. After each ponderous episode, makes you appreciate how Jackson was able to condense and polish the script for the LOTR trilogy.

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... the pace and tempo is, painfully slow.

You can say that again.

I've read The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy, but not The Silmarillion so I can't speak to how poorly it's being treated. But, the storylines are moving at a glacial pace. Episode 5 was by far the worst.

At this point I could only recommend watching if you have some very decent hallucinogens in your system. Preferably the giggle kind.

Oh, and plenty of sweety-chewy and salty-crunchy.

As for the billion dollars that this was suppose to cost; there HAS to be someone sitting on beach in Belize drinking tropical drinks who embezzled a crap ton of money. That is really the only explanation for how bad this it........Well there is possibility that Rings of Power were actually made by truly incompetent and stupid people. The embezzled money thought at least makes me think that someone enjoyed doing this show.

Another thing: the horrendous fight/sparring scene was made up of the BEST cuts and film they could manage......that tells you how bad it was.

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Originally posted by corsair:
... the pace and tempo is, painfully slow.

You can say that again.

I've read The Hobbit and the LOTR trilogy, but not The Silmarillion so I can't speak to how poorly it's being treated. But, the storylines are moving at a glacial pace. Episode 5 was by far the worst.

I'm forced to agree. It's been another hour and we're still in the harbor. The orcs are still in the town. The tension built for a three episodes and then the troll is like, "ok ok, let's go ask my dad" in 3 minutes flat.

I don’t understand how they managed to make a battle episode slow and boring. I believe episode 6 is it for me, too painful to watch.

HOW, did the Numenorian's know EXACTLY where to sail up-river, and then travel overland (mass cavalry charge the entire way?) to this hamlet, that was under siege by orcs?

Good lord the script writing is bad.....

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HOW, did the Numenorian's know EXACTLY where to sail up-river, and then travel overland (mass cavalry charge the entire way?) to this hamlet, that was under siege by orcs?

Good lord the script writing is bad.....

They sensed a disturbance in the force?

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Originally posted by corsair:
HOW, did the Numenorian's know EXACTLY where to sail up-river, and then travel overland (mass cavalry charge the entire way?) to this hamlet, that was under siege by orcs?

Good lord the script writing is bad.....

They sensed a disturbance in the force?

Because they were led by Super All Knowing Mary Sue Galadriel. That and super crap writing.

Wait a minute. Just what in the fuck is this plot arc with the sword? What a convoluted, Rube Goldberg meets Deus Ex Machina plot. We need to dump a whole lake full of water into Mount Doom to set it off? Couldn't Sauron just do that with some evil magic or something? Why is this assclown Adar leading the effort on this one if he hates Sauron?

This entire episode was boring. The writing is just so awful. I didn't watch it yesterday, very nearly didn't watch it tonight. I'm strongly considered being done with this shitfest.

Middle Earth: Shadow of War was on sale recently for like, a dollar, so I bought it with all the DLC and everything. Far and away, the writing, plot, and action of a videogame that was released five years ago makes this show look completely Mickey Mouse in comparison. It's scratching the Tolkein itch, and exactly none of it is canon and has probably the same type of license as this show does. However, it is so in line with the writing that you wouldn't know the difference, and it shows just how good this could have been if they'd hired good writers who cared about the source material instead of simply using it as another vehicle for social engineering.

So Amazon paid 60 million an episode.....is this one huge tax write off or my original idea that someone embezzled the hell out of it?

What the heck is this? Someone’s vacations slide show?

And here we are loading the ships, and here we are storming the castle, and here we are walking through the woods, and here we are when the volcano erupted, and here we are pulling a cart through the meadow…