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Well, there will not be an American racing at the Australian Grand Prix this weekend. I wonder if their spare chassis got lost in that Excel spreadsheet... https://racer.com/2024/03/22/w...p-after-albon-crash/
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A bummer for Sargent, but suppose you'd want the more experienced driver in the car. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Pretty damn sure that Andretti-Cadillac would have had a spare chassis. And last year Vowles was one of the TP's on Sky last season confidently talking about Andretti needing to prove themselves and show what value they'd add to the sport before they'd be allowed to enter. Meanwhile William's barely even made it to pre-season testing this year, and due to lack of parts, are only capable of entering one car for the Aus GP... | |||
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I'm not quite sure whythey don't have that chassis they need but that's a different question. I suspect the chassis shortage is due to a funding shortage. Last season Albon scored all but one of their points, and the one that Sargent did score was a bit of a fluke. If Albon had scored ten times the number that Sargent scored, Williams would have been last. Albon also out qualified him in every event. So far this year, Sargent hasn't shown any obvious improvement in results although he looks a bit closer. For all the talk about Andretti, they haven't been killing the competition over in Indy cars. That's a series that is domestic, runs a several year old spec car sourced from Dallara that requires essentially tuning, no design, development, or building capability, and they have been doing terrible for the last several seasons. They’ve never been involved with a new, ground up engine from a company that has never been involved in this sort of racing before. Instead they’re intending to run another brand for the first year that is understood to be the least powerful on the grid. Will they do better in a much more demanding environment? Who knows.This message has been edited. Last edited by: 220-9er, ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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They've also never arrived at any race they've participated in during any series missing key components. That's a management issue, not a resource issue. If Williams really is that desperate, they could have run last year's chassis as a last resort instead of the clown show they've ended up with. | |||
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Comparing their preparation level is apples and oranges. F1 teams are required to design, develop and build most of their car in-house, unlike Indycar where they run a spec car (the same basic car for the last decade or so). Each year the F1 cars are substantially different so pulling out a car from last years inventory isn't a practical consideration. You would also need to have enough matching spares on hand to run the two different configuration cars. This is not unlike what happened to Haas when they were running Mick Schumacher. He had a big crash where he was perfectly healthy to race but he didn't, really because they were short on parts. This is different because the guy that crashed isn't the guy that doesn't get to race. That just happens to the lower budgeted teams on occasion. While I agree, they should have been more prepared and I would have thought the FIA would have some sort of requirement to prevent something like this, there's no comparing the two series this way. You or I or anybody else, with a check for the required amount, could call up Dallara and have a chassis or two and spares in a week. Another example, the Indycar series was going to introduce a hybrid kit this year, much of which would be developed by the two engine manufacturers (Honda & GM). They've had several years to develop this and could use the F1 experience as at least some guidance even though it's a much different specification. They ran a few preseason tests and have put it on hold as they were behind on pulling it off. Doing all this isn't as as easy as it looks. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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We're not in a different rule set. Last year's car is still legal. Is it slow? Yes. Will you look as incompetent as Williams looks right now? No. Besides, there's been more than enough examples of teams bringing radically different upgrades to the track for one driver while the other is still saddled with the old chassis etc.
So your excuse to give Williams a pass is by saying another team on the grid that "looks like a bunch of fucking wankers?" Regardless of their car setups and strategies, there has not been a professional category that Andretti has run in including IndyCar, IMSA, Formula E, Extreme E, or Australian Supercars where they have shown up without a backup plan to run all of their cars.
You're excusing managerial incompetence with more managerial incompetence of which IndyCar management can give Doctorate Level classes in. Just like telling iRacing to piss off for Motorsport Games for a game they have no ability to produce, IndyCar hired Mahle to design a hybrid system and met with delay after delay before telling Chevy and Honda to figure it out without even giving them a rule set at the last minute. I can't even remember if they've had an oval test for the super capacitor or figured out how they're going to regen for certain. | |||
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You may want to review my earlier posts on this^^^. I'm not excusing what happened with Williams at all, simply explaining what may have happened to cause this. And again, I'm also a little surprised the FIA doesn't have some sort of requirement for the teams to prevent this from happening. The seem to have a rule for just about everything else and not being able to present two cars on the starting grid would seem to be a violation of some sort, short of some exceptional circumstances. This accident on Friday wasn't an exceptional event. In fact it was relatively normal for a team to have this at any event and go on, business as usual. This happens (a chassis change) at some point, several times each season. My original point was that to compare Andretti's recent Indycar team and the operational challenges they face to what any F1 team faces with the huge worldwide logistical issues and claim they would easily outperform the Williams team if they were on the grid next year, (or 2026) was not a valid comparison. In Indycar, if your teams spare inventory happened to be short of a component, you can walk over to the Dallara support trailer with your checkbook and they'll take care of you. All the major components, like the tub and suspension (except for shocks) are made by Dallara as per the rules, and are the same. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Today definitely ruffled some feathers. The first 2 retirements were a shock. The last could've been much worse. And, a massive facepalm for excessively long pitstops...Might've been on the verge of points otherwise. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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I didn’t hear it, but I’ve heard that a commentator or Sainz himself said “This may help me get a job next year.” If Sainz didn’t say that, he should have. ___________________ Company, villainous company hath been the spoil of me. | |||
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And Alonso ends up with a 20 second penalty for his last lap driving, that the stewards blame the George Russell accident on. Sounds like a B/S call to me. Looked like George was laser focused on closing the gap to Alonso by late braking so much he wasn't watching Alonso. Then over reacted. Meanwhile Alonso was backing off a little early to get a good exit out of the corner as it was the last lap. The accident looked worse than it was due to the car position. It went through the gravel trap and bounced off the wall but the broken suspension sort of tucked under the car as it slid back out into the track, ending up on it's side. The video from both cars. See what you think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpwvjmi3eg ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I think I am going to cheer for Carlos this season. Ferrari is making a huge mistake. Hamilton cannot compete in the competitive era. He needed Mercedes and their massive spending to keep him winning. George Russell is Driver 1 at Mercedes. | |||
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F1 has an analysis of the Alonso penalty. They said he coasted & braked earlier than all prior laps, got back in it then braked for the turn. To paraphrase. From F1.com:
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Part of the reason the car went over was the retention of the wheels. Had they separated and rolled away the car would have likely remained upright. Fortunately they didn't and thus cause additional hazards and the car tipping up on it's side clearly didn't cause any injuries. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Was anyone else cheering when Max's wheel imploded and you realized he was done for the day? Lap 4 of that race might be the most exciting thing I saw in all of 2023 and so far in 2024. | |||
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Nice to see a different winner but the race was still for 2nd and back. Great to see Carlos rebound so well after the appendix surgery took him out of the last event. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I'm shocked he's performing at such a level after any kind of -ectomy surgery. The fact he was in the Saudi pits for the race, maybe 18hrs post-op, was shocking. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Wonder what the longshot odds are of Sainz pulling a Hill. Win the WDC & lose your drive. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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That was a fun race to watch. We were traveling this weekend, so had to make effort to avoid any social media until we got home and watched race Sunday evening. Settled into a drowsy well-this-WAS-fun in last couple laps then BAM!!! I don't doubt that the stewards actually saw what they saw to penalize Fernando; looks like the old fox just outfoxed himself a little bit this time around! The failures of several cars was certainly unusual, but maybe not so much so early in the season. A bit after the Max incident we realized that if that brake had exploded 5-15 seconds later, someone(s) could have been seriously injured in his crew right there taking the wheel off. Lucky timing. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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