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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I suspect there will be a few hanging threads, since negotiation is underway regarding spinoffs on GOT.

The series that are in the works are not direct sequels/spinoffs. Instead, they draw from the history and lore of the Game of Thrones world. Like Tolkien, Martin has written an extensive history and volumes of lore for the world he created.

Martin himself has said that none of the four series currently in various stages of planning are sequels, and he wouldn't agree to a direct sequel anyway.

The series that's furthest along, and that will likely debut first, is called "The Long Night" and is set during the Age of Heroes, which was several thousand years before the current series. That was when the Others first appeared, the Wall was built, the Night's Watch was founded, and the Children of the Forest banded together with the First Men to defeat the Night King the first time.

It's rumored that another focuses on the Targaryens, either the Targaryen conquest of Westeros 300 years before the current series, or the Targaryen Civil War of 170 years before the current series.


So it's not going to be "Game of Thones 2: Electric Boogaloo", with Podrick and Bronn as a pair of mismatched buddy cops knights with a pet orangutan, fighting and whoring their way across the lands immediately after the events of this series.

Any loose ends will just have to be left dangling. Future series will be totally different characters, in a totally different era.

I would totally watch Game of Thrones 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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Martin himself has said that none of the four series currently in various stages of planning are sequels, and he wouldn't agree to a direct sequel anyway.

The series that's furthest along, and that will likely debut first, is called "The Long Night" and is set during the Age of Heroes, which was several thousand years before the current series. That was when the Others first appeared, the Wall was built, the Night's Watch was founded, and the Children of the Forest banded together with the First Men to defeat the Night King the first time.

It's rumored that another focuses on the Targaryens, either the Targaryen conquest of Westeros 300 years before the current series, or the Targaryen Civil War of 170 years before the current series.

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OK you are probably correct. You are a pretty knowledgeable guy. HOWEVER, what you are describing could technically be a PREQUEL.

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I would totally watch Game of Thrones 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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Must be a Jersey thing. Are there naked people riding lawnmowers in it??

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Originally posted by joel9507:
Any chance that Drogon, who has at times ignored Dany (took her away to that grass mountain, back on Essos, and then ignored her so she had to wander off on foot) went rogue and it was him rather than Dany doing the overkill?

Nah, who am I kidding. He was under control enough to take out the Red Keep.

So, is there anything actually in King's Landing worth staying and fighting for now, or does it become New Harrenhall? I wouldn't want to be reigning over that mess and having to do urban renewal (and rehabilitation) for whatever fraction of the King's Landing populace who survived, all of whom would hate the winning side - the one that did the sacking/burning/killing - worse than they hated Cersi.

(Hard to imagine anything that would make Cersi look good, but, yeah, give the devil her due....)

Obviously the Dragon Fire took the sacking up a bunch of notches, but Kings Landing was sacked during Roberts Rebellion by the Lannister Army - the Mountain raped Elia Martell / killed her Targaryen children.

"Tywin's Betrayal Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock, had remained neutral throughout the war, ignoring calls to arms by both the loyalists and the rebels. However, about a fortnight after the Battle of the Trident he appeared at the gates of King's Landing with a force of twelve thousand men from the westerlands. He claimed his loyalty was with Aerys, and requested entrance into the city. While Lord Varys, the master of whisperers, told the king to keep the gates closed, Grand Maester Pycelle convinced the king to open his gates to Tywin. The Lannister forces began to sack the city, killing people of all ages and raping women. A handpicked group of men raced to the Red Keep, to storm the walls.

The Lannisters needed a way to prove their loyalty to Robert's cause and Rhaegar's children had to die to ensure Robert's claim to the throne, so two of Tywin's knights, Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch, scaled the walls of Maegor's Holdfast. Amory dragged Princess Rhaenys Targaryen from under Rhaegar's bed and stabbed her half a hundred times. Gregor smashed the head of the infant Prince Aegon in front of his mother, Princess Elia Martell, in the nursery, and the Mountain then raped and murdered Elia with Aegon's brains still on his hands.

When Robert Baratheon arrived in King's Landing, Tywin laid the bodies of Elia, Aegon, and Rhaenys beneath the Iron Throne and presented them to Robert as tokens of his fealty."

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
Would love to see Jon turn the dragon to his side kill the bitch and rule everything peacefully.

Wouldn’t really be a happy ending because he doesn’t want it. I just want to see the bitch die now

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
OK you are probably correct. You are a pretty knowledgeable guy. HOWEVER, what you are describing could technically be a PREQUEL.

Prequels wouldn't have anything to do with tying up loose ends from the end of a current series.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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I would totally watch Game of Thrones 2: Electric Boogaloo.

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Must be a Jersey thing. Are there naked people riding lawnmowers in it??

Yes, but the lawnmowers are dressed up to look like dragons.

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Prequels wouldn't have anything to do with tying up loose ends from the end of a current series.

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I concede the point.

I rewatched ep. 5 again last night and enjoyed it more than the first time, maybe because there were no surprises to feel conflicted about/be in a state of evaluating in the moment. I was able to process and appreciate the story, acting, sights and sounds more.

I especially liked the beginning scenes with Varys, and the scenes near the end with the Hound and Arya together, and then apart. The surrealness and stunning images of war and its aftermath were quite effective, and reminded me of feelings evoked by films like Apocalypse Now, FMJ, BoB, The Pacific, etc. I'm not necessarily equating it to those, but I got similar feelings and appreciation on the second viewing. My current opinion is it was a really fine work, even if a number of the storylines aren't playing out to their potential.

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Originally posted by rusbro:
My current opinion is it was a really fine work, even if a number of the storylines aren't playing out to their potential.

I suspect that is how the show as a whole will be remembered: A really fine work, whose story didn't live up to its potential in the end. Excellent visuals. Excellent production. Some excellent acting. Middling plot execution.

In my opinion the writing on the show was never as good once they got past the book material.

I still greatly enjoy the show.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by rusbro:
My current opinion is it was a really fine work, even if a number of the storylines aren't playing out to their potential.

I suspect that is how the show as a whole will be remembered: A really fine work, whose story didn't live up to its potential in the end. Excellent visuals. Excellent production. Some excellent acting. Middling plot execution.

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Originally posted by rusbro:
I rewatched ep. 5 again last night and enjoyed it more than the first time, maybe because there were no surprises to feel conflicted about/be in a state of evaluating in the moment. I was able to process and appreciate the story, acting, sights and sounds more.

I especially liked the beginning scenes with Varys, and the scenes near the end with the Hound and Arya together, and then apart. The surrealness and stunning images of war and its aftermath were quite effective, and reminded me of feelings evoked by films like Apocalypse Now, FMJ, BoB, The Pacific, etc. I'm not necessarily equating it to those, but I got similar feelings and appreciation on the second viewing. My current opinion is it was a really fine work, even if a number of the storylines aren't playing out to their potential.

GOT Season 7 & 8 are like a wine that needs to air out a bit - watching it a second time often gives me a better impression of the show. But the show definitely suffered after exhausting the book materials.

I still think Ep5 was fantastic, regardless of the 'Don't make Dany a crazy bitch'. Everyone was who they should be: Jon / Tyrion / Varys - Idealistic to different extremes; Dany / Grey Worm / The Hound - out for blood; Arya / Euron - Realists; Cersi / Jamie - incestuous lovers

A fun re-cap and review, again.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/0...episode-5-bells.html

The best comment:

• You know who I’m guessing really didn’t like this episode? All those parents who named their daughters Khaleesi.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
I still think Ep5 was fantastic, regardless of the 'Don't make Dany a crazy bitch'.

I have no problem with Dany becoming a crazy bitch. My issue is with the abruptness of it. I wish they had built up to it over a longer span.

Oh, but they did! She's been showing signs of remorselessness since episode 6 of Season 1, when Drogo killed her brother and she couldn't give a shit.

Killing innocents and children is sociopathic, someone else killing your douchebag brother is another.

Her brother hasn't been the only person to die in her presence. She's had people killed in every season.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Killing innocents and children is sociopathic, someone else killing your douchebag brother is another.

You're imposing your sense of morals on someone who doesn't share them. That doesn't make them a sociopath