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Fortified with Sleestak |
On a second look.... Gendry, Tormund, and Grey Worm are in a shot together at the end. Ser Brienne , Ser Jamie, and Pod(they damn well better knight him now) are also together. I think it is cool that everyone who was in the room with Tyrion in episode 2, when he said he thought they would all make it based on their survival of previous battles, did in fact make it. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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Chip away the stone |
Counterpoint (I'm not saying which I agree with - I don't have a firm opinion yet.) https://reason.com/2019/04/29/...g-night-arya-cersei/ "It's called Game of Thrones for a reason: This is a show about the ambitions of a slew of characters vying for supreme political power." | |||
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Little ray of sunshine |
I see the point. And it is true that despite tediously repeated warnings that "winter is coming" the story did actually focus more on the inter-Westerosian political struggle. But, still feels like a bit of a gyp to snuff out the Night King so quickly and in such an offhand way. Perhaps we were meant to be duped and distracted by the warnings about impending doom from the north, when the real doom is coming from Cersei. Except, even if Cersei wins, it will be unpleasant for her enemies (and maybe for most people), but not world ending. If the Night King marched all the way to Dorne, it would have been doom for everyone. I would have liked it better, if, at least, it took a little more effort and something really clever to defeat the Night King. This has the feel of having to get the Night King out of the way quickly, after having spent much of the last season or two hyping him up. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Thank you Very little |
Perhaps the NK story line was used to create a scenario where the writers could unite the players against Cersi and possibly a function of a limited number of episodes left in production, or both Imagine the next episode will incorporate the story line of the houses of the North coming together to battle against Westeros, It's always been about the throne... In the end it could be that nobody is shown sitting on the throne, as with Tony Soprano who was referenced earlier, while it won't be a screen that goes black, it may well end with a shot of the Throne, empty, Leaving the option to do a Movie on it down the road ala Deadwood.... | |||
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Serenity now! |
I'm pretty underwhelmed with how fast the end of the NK came. We've had years of 'Winter is Coming' and he's the big bad boogey man, which he is and it's over by episode 3. ------------------------------------------------ 9/11/01 Never Forget "In valor there is hope" - Tacitus | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
But realize that "Winter is Coming" didn't equate to the NK. Winters came and went over the last 1000 years with no NK, and it's still winter. Could the writers have switched it up a bit, had the NK destroy Winterfell with some heros retreating, only to counterattack and win? Well, that is pretty much what happened without the retreat; their game plan was no retreat, win or lose right here. I think the main bitch (right now) is not enough main characters died in the battle; but considering the NK likely killed oh 20K+ people in an hour, it is pretty brutal. Like all popular shows, you can never make everyone happy. | |||
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Fortified with Sleestak |
While I can certainly see where some may be disappointed with the ending of the Night King there are a few things to keep in mind. 1- "Winter is coming" is the motto of House Stark. It means to be ever vigilant and prepared. Winters in Westeros are nothing to toy with. In the north it gets so cold smoke won't rise. They can last entire lifetimes. 2- House Stark is often THE WINTER. As in "Tell them winter came for House Frey." 3- Although the NK was a huge threat, his death does not mean winter is over. I would hazard to say that Winter came early for House Stark and as a House it is doomed. The only ones left of actual House Stark are Sansa and Arya at this point. IF they survive the next three episodes their offspring would carry a different last name. Bran is now the three eyed raven. Even if he was capable he is no longer Brandon Stark. I don't see him carrying on the family name. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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I think that's the crux for many viewers, Winter does not = Night King. The vast, vast majority of Northerners had no idea about the Night King or, wights. It had been 1000-years when those stories took place, they were largely dismissed as myths and fairy tales. If anything the NK and his army, represented a unifying force for the living, in their larger mission, to defeat Cersei.
How Brienne, Jamie, Tormund, Podrick, and Davos could've actually survived that onslaught is a miracle of Hollywood. Interesting that it was just the Mormont's (Jorah and Lady Lyanna) and the R'hllor believers (Beric Dondarrion and Mellisandre) who died...oh and Theon the Flawed. There's not much of an army of the North left to march south; Starks, Umbers, Glovers, Manderly, Knights of the Vail, all largely decimated. There could be a wild card, in that Edmere Tully, who's still at Riverrun, still a prisoner of the Lannisters could rally and appear. Howland Reed and his daughter Mera (who saved Bran north of the wall) is still out there, not sure what kind of army they can muster, that train has likely already left the station with only 3-episodes left. | |||
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This explains what was going on technology wise
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Exceptional Circumstances |
In addition to Valerian steel I guess the NK isn't immune to hubris. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
There might still be some way for the armies of Dorne and The Reach to play a part, although it's getting pretty late to formulate a deal and execute it. The Dornish still harbor quite a bit of hatred for the Crown in general and the Lannisters in particular, and might be willing to assist, especially if it could mean greater independence or autonomy for Dorne. The Reachmen might feel the same, after the Crown/Lannisters sacked Highgarden. Plus, if they disband the Black Watch now that the White Walker threat is extinct, and restore the rights of inheritance to surviving members of the Watch, that would make Samwell the rightful ruler of the Reach since he's the last surviving heir of House Tarley, who became Wardens of that region after House Tyrell was crushed. It's almost like they're setting up Dany or Jon possibly taking the Iron Throne from Cersei, but being left with a small kingdom of just the area around Kings Landing and Dragonstone, with the other regions going back to being autonomous kingdoms like before the Targaryen conquest. Sansa certainly doesn't want to put The North back under control of The Crown... So I could see Dany/Jon being on the throne in King's Landing but ruling just the Crownlands and Stormlands, with one of the Lannister brothers on the throne in Casterly Rock ruling the Westerlands, Sam possibly rulling The Reach from either Horn Hill or Highgarden, Yara ruling the Iron Islands, an independent Dorne under ???, and Sansa ending up on the throne in Winterfell of the large combined kingdom of The North, Riverlands, and possibly Vale. That would surely stick in Dany's craw... All that and she finally wins the Iron Throne itself, but not the Seven Kingdoms, plus Sansa ends up with the larger and more powerful kingdom in the end. And thus, the Great Wheel would continue to turn, with infighting amongst the various separate kingdoms in the generations to come, followed by someone finally powerful enough to seize overall control (again), followed by an eventual rebellion and splintering (again), and on and on with the Game of Thrones. | |||
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Bald Headed Squirrel Hunter |
I think the key to the final battle will be The Golden Company. Can they be turned against Cersei? Will Cersei have Qyburn turn them all into "zombies" like he did to The Mountain. Other questions: We also don't know how the conversation ended between Tyrion and Cersei after their meeting? Why was Tyrion hanging around Dany's door when Jon made his booty call? Why are the writers trying to make Tyrion look dumb the past season or so? He used to be the smartest man on the show. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Undoubtedly. That's the bulk of Cersei's forces at this point. I think the Iron Bank may play a part. Keep in mind that Cersei managed to pay off some or all of her debt to the Bank with the loot from Highgarden, but then turned around and immediately borrowed a bunch more to hire the Golden Company. If the Bank decides to switch sides and/or cut off her funding, then the Golden Company has no reason to keep fighting for Cersei. And keep in mind that a representative from the Iron Bank specifically stated that they have hired the Golden Company themselves in the past in order to collect on debts. So the Iron Bank may be the key to turning the Golden Company against Cersei. | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
It took him weeks to do that to the Mountain, so I think that is a non-starter. | |||
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I enjoyed the episode and don’t feel the NK was defeated easily. If this were the only battle with the dead and the NK perhaps, but pretty much owned every encounter before Winterfell and was in the process of doing so again. I suppose you could argue the writers could have done a better job of just how the NK would go down, but Dany had a chance with dragon fire, Jon had a chance to go mano a walker and was blocked by raising the dead, Theon had no real chance. So why not the only trained assasin? | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
+1. Looking forward, I think we will see some time elapse between this battle and when they set off for Kings Landing - Cersi likely isn't looking to invade the North, so they have time to lick their wounds and heal; I think both Dragons need some recoup time. | |||
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Enjoyed tremendously using my NIght Vision Gear. You would have thought that HBO would have considered that most of us do not have OLED, if that is indeed the problem. Hope the next battle is during the daytime. | |||
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Nah. You needs tv with excellent contrast ratio/black levels. There are LED’s that do this, especially a Sony X940E. Oled suffers burn in. What am I doing? I'm talking to an empty telephone | |||
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Thank you Very little |
I may mess with the setting on my Tee Vee and watch the episode again... | |||
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Insignificant I’m sure, but I hope there’s some dragon eggs found/layed to keep the idea of dragons around. Who wouldn’t want a flock of dragons? | |||
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