Call CS and ask for David. Faster that way.

Well I got a notification that my Sub-compact is shipping back to me today. The received it on the 16th of June and its shipping on 7/2. So a little over 2 weeks.

Will update once it is in my hands and I test it out.

My subcompact they received on June 16 did not here from them as of today.I hope they replaced the out of spec barrel. I saw a post from a guy who said his went back three times to get his fixed :-(

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Originally posted by AVG:
My subcompact they received on June 16 did not here from them as of today.I hope they replaced the out of spec barrel. I saw a post from a guy who said his went back three times to get his fixed :-(

Where did you read that?

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Originally posted by AVG:
My subcompact they received on June 16 did not here from them as of today.I hope they replaced the out of spec barrel. I saw a post from a guy who said his went back three times to get his fixed :-(

Out of spec barrel? Who determined this? Anything is possible, but this is interesting. I do find it hard to believe it would take take Sphinx more than once to address an issue. Give specifics if you can. You might want to touch base with KRISS on yours if you're concerned or curious.

If you go to the AR15 .com forum under handguns other go to Sphinx Arms you will see my post on how to see if you barrel is in spec and also a post that a forum member put up on having the same trouble with his subcompact.
Guys
Here is the test I have done. If you take any 9mm barrel and stand it on end drop a 9mm round that works in the barrel check how deep the round goes in then take other brands that you have and see if they go in the same. All the different brands that I have only five right now go in the right depth on the Sphinx barrel. Four others do not they sit higher from 1/8" to 1/16 &1/32". I also did a check on a VP9 barrel the rounds of all the brands I have on this 9mm gun barrel all went in the same depth. The Sphinx works great with the ones that chamber right now. The trouble is if you load a mag release the slide the round (Federal Hydra-Shok 124gr) is in the chamber loaded and you want to unload this round I am unable to pull back the slide to eject the loaded round it is stuck in the chamber. If you load Speer Gold dot 147gr release the slide on this round the slide stays open 1/8" and you are stuck with this round were you can't open or close the slide

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Originally posted by AVG:
If you go to the AR15 .com forum under handguns other go to Sphinx Arms you will see my post on how to see if you barrel is in spec and also a post that a forum member put up on having the same trouble with his subcompact.
Guys
Here is the test I have done. If you take any 9mm barrel and stand it on end drop a 9mm round that works in the barrel check how deep the round goes in then take other brands that you have and see if they go in the same. All the different brands that I have only five right now go in the right depth on the Sphinx barrel. Four others do not they sit higher from 1/8" to 1/16 &1/32". I also did a check on a VP9 barrel the rounds of all the brands I have on this 9mm gun barrel all went in the same depth. The Sphinx works great with the ones that chamber right now. The trouble is if you load a mag release the slide the round (Federal Hydra-Shok 124gr) is in the chamber loaded and you want to unload this round I am unable to pull back the slide to eject the loaded round it is stuck in the chamber. If you load Speer Gold dot 147gr release the slide on this round the slide stays open 1/8" and you are stuck with this round were you can't open or close the slide

This does not mean the barrel is defective. CZs and CZ clones have tight chambers. Not every single round spins in my CZ 75B or CZ P01. I have less feeding issues with them then I did with my Sub Compact but these guns are tight.

I think maybe a little to tight and the tolerances are stacking a bit on them with a tight chamber and a very tight slide lock/release.

The plunk test is a good test and I certainly tested my subcompact with every round type I had available but this does not mean that the barrel is "defective"

I would love it to feed every single round flawlessly and hopefully when it returns it will but I think you might be over stating it a bit.

I am into guns a long time, I have right now 16 Sigs, five CZ's, two S&W, two H&K's. At 75 years old and over 100 plus guns in my life I have never had a gun that would not chamber any loaded round and not be able to unload the round. Will see what they do with the Sphinx. If they fix it this will be my carry gun :-)

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Originally posted by AVG:
I am into guns a long time, I have right now 16 Sigs, five CZ's, two S&W, two H&K's. At 75 years old and over 100 plus guns in my life I have never had a gun that would not chamber any loaded round and not be able to unload the round. Will see what they do with the Sphinx. If they fix it this will be my carry gun :-)

Also not saying that the story on AR15 is not true but the guy has one post. He sent the pistol back because of a finish issue on the slide. Then sent it back again after that.

One post nothing more... No one is saying that you do not know your guns. Others here have been into guns for a long time and some guns simply do not chamber some rounds. I agree the tightness of the Sphinx locks up the gun at times which is why I sent mine back in but I am not sure you can declare the barrels out of spec.

I think the sub-compact is tighter than my compact. The sub would not feed rounds that the compact would but longer OAL FN bullets choked my compact. I changed the OAL and it ran. These are tight guns tighter than Sigs IMHO. I am not saying there are not issues with these guns but I am not sure that "defective" it the right word to describe the barrels.

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Originally posted by AVG:
I am into guns a long time, I have right now 16 Sigs, five CZ's, two S&W, two H&K's. At 75 years old and over 100 plus guns in my life I have never had a gun that would not chamber any loaded round and not be able to unload the round. Will see what they do with the Sphinx. If they fix it this will be my carry gun :-)

As pointed out by WVsigP228, these guns are tighter than most. Apparently, like some guns, there is ammo they don't like. Could be the OAL and or bullet design that isn't agreeable with the barrel. Not uncommon if you look at tests done with multiple types of ammo. I've had 2 custom 1911s that just refused some types of ammo and would jam up as you described. I just didn't run that ammo.

Fortunately, the ammo I use for practice and carry ( 2 different brands and types of ammo most of the time) isn't an issue in any of my guns, to include the Sphinx...with one exception for the first 150 rounds. That was the stainless duotone compact which has a slide / frame fit on par with any custom 1911 I've owned or handled. PMC Bronze is a mild round and it would not cycle the compact about 30% of the time early on in it's life. After that, it's been 100%.

Call KRISS and find out the status if you feel the need at this point. Maybe you could inquire as to what causes this issue you're having. I've found the staff there very accommodating and easy to talk to. I just think it's the design of the barrel, but I don't think it's defective. Just my opinion. Do keep us posted please as to the final outcome. That subcompact is a sweet carry gun and I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

I had both the "lock up" problem with some ammunition and failure to return to battery with some other ammo with my Subcompact.

I sent it to Kriss, they polished the feed ramp and replaced the slide lock (which I believe was the true issue) and promptly returned the pistol to me.

The pistol always ran perfectly with my Blazer Brass as a range ammunition and now runs perfectly with HST 147gr. +P as a carry round.

Testing any new pistol with JHP is essential if you are planning on it for anything other than range work. I have 240 flawless rounds of the HST through my Sub. This certainly qualifies the this pistol/ammo combination for carry.

I am awaiting my ordered Onyx holster and hopefully soon to be released night sights before switching from my P239 SAS Gen2 to the Sub for carry. The Sub just shoots so well and returns to target so fast for me. The P239 is certainly no slouch, but it will take second place for me.

MP

Tightly fitted guns do tend to be more sensitive to ammo and environment. Maybe not ideal for day to day CCW.
I would love to have a Sphinx for Competition/Range use but may end up with a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow instead.

I completely disagree and environment doesn't have anything to do with it. Here is a list of what I have run in mine. And I've run each type listed through all three with zero issues. I've shot in the cold, and in the heat, rapid fire, etc.


115gr Fiocchi FMJ
115gr PMC Bronze FMJ
115gr Federal RTP FMJ
124gr Speer Lawman TMJ
124gr Fiocchi FMJ
124gr Blazer Brass FMJ
124gr American Eagle FMJ
147gr American Eagle FMJ

115gr +p+ Speer GD
124gr +p Speer GD
124gr +p Federal HST
135gr +p Hornady Critical Duty


That's eight different FMJ's and four different types of hollow points with nary a problem, nothing but precision. I guess I'm going to have to work to find something my set won't run rather than the other way around. As I said I could not disagree more and want a SDP on my person or in my nightstand 24/7, and don't think a better defensive platform exists for my needs. Pistols aren't apples so one out of spec pistol doesn't ruin the bunch or quantify statements like that.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I completely disagree and environment doesn't have anything to do with it. Here is a list of what I have run in mine. And I've run each type listed through all three with zero issues. I've shot in the cold, and in the heat, rapid fire, etc.


115gr Fiocchi FMJ
115gr PMC Bronze FMJ
115gr Federal RTP FMJ
124gr Speer Lawman TMJ
124gr Fiocchi FMJ
124gr Blazer Brass FMJ
124gr American Eagle FMJ
147gr American Eagle FMJ

115gr +p+ Speer GD
124gr +p Speer GD
124gr +p Federal HST
135gr +p Hornady Critical Duty


That's eight different FMJ's and four different types of hollow points with nary a problem, nothing but precision. I guess I'm going to have to work to find something my set won't run rather than the other way around. As I said I could not disagree more and want a SDP on my person or in my nightstand 24/7, and don't think a better defensive platform exists for my needs. Pistols aren't apples so one out of spec pistol doesn't ruin the bunch or quantify statements like that.

It looks like you've fully vetted your pistol and have total confidence in it.
That's all anyone can do.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:


It looks like you've fully vetted your pistol and have total confidence in it.
That's all anyone can do.

Yes but not one pistol, three. Two Compacts and one subcompact. Mine eat everything so far and I've tried a wide variety. Enough that I gave up trying to cause a malfunction and that "picky ammo" comments don't hold any weight in my experience. Someone with a problematic pistol is a problematic pistol and doesn't cover the platform or even the particular model.

Passed another test that I forgot to do.

I went to the range today to do some precision shooting with a 9mm target pistol, and before leaving it occurred to me that I never tested my Subcompact with 1 in the chamber and 13 in the mag. So I did.

Perfect functioning. Now over 250 flawless rounds with HST +P 147 gr. and a lot, lot more with Blazer Brass ball since Kriss "breathed" on it.

I hope Kriss brings over those night sight soon.

Lovely pistol.

MP

This thread is pushing me over the edge.
For those of you with both the subcompact and compact, can you compare and contrast your shooting and handling impressions of each?
Much appreciated,
Scott

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Originally posted by ScotP7:
This thread is pushing me over the edge.
For those of you with both the subcompact and compact, can you compare and contrast your shooting and handling impressions of each?
Much appreciated,
Scott

My compact handles better and shoots softer (less muzzle rise) than my subcompact. At close range they seem to be equally accurate. At long range the compact seems to be more accurate. Of course, the sub is easier to conceal.

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Originally posted by rhart:

At close range they seem to be equally accurate.

At the range today with my Subcompact, at 7 yards I put 27 rounds into one 1 1/2inch hole, so close in accuracy is quite good. The 1st and 15th rounds were shot double action.

MP

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Originally posted by ScotP7:
This thread is pushing me over the edge.
For those of you with both the subcompact and compact, can you compare and contrast your shooting and handling impressions of each?
Much appreciated,
Scott

In the subcompact, the 3" barrel is the most accurate, in my hands, at 3" barrel length I've ever fired. I am certainly the limitation there, not the pistol. The 3" in this platform, shoots like a 4" barrel or larger at defensive distances of 7-25 yards.


The compact is small enough to EDC and has enough capacity to serve as HD. The trigger is perfect, from the factory, it has multiple backstraps that are also sidepanels so you can customize it to your hand. So it's a little more versatile, and it has a rail, the subcompact doesn't.

Pick your preferable size and go. The SDP compact is the equivalent of the Glock 19, in the Sphinx platform. The subcompact SDP is the jewel of the lineup, and is like a Glock 26, it shoots like a 17, has 13+1 capacity, and can take a 17 round magazine. Pick a size and test her out. The differences or "which between the SDP compact and subcompact" for me is "both". I want both. The subcompact has concealability advantages, the compact is just a hoss, can do everything. Between the two I'd take the subcompact for the civilian, or ccw, role, HD the compact. So the short version, flip a coin.

When the full sizes come out I'm going to be broke.