The gun is back the fix is a no no......

The gun is back but the problem is still their >
Received my Sphinx subcompact today that was back for repair. The repair sheet states that the barrel was replaced, Pivot and RH decocker polished
feed ramp. What was done did not solve the problem. If you load 9mm ammo and release the slide and want to unload this live round you are unable to
eject the round this was with Federal 115gr. FMJ and other brands. I had to get my son a LEO to help me to pull back the slide to remove the live round. If you do a drop test with the barrel for Speer Gold Dot 147gr. 9mm the round does not go into the chamber to the right depth in the chamber. This is the same thing that the first barrel did if they did really change it. This drop test I have done with eight different brands of ammo only four that work in this gun.. I have many guns none of these guns do what this gun does with the ammo.

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Originally posted by AVG:
The gun is back the fix is a no no......

The gun is back but the problem is still their >
Received my Sphinx subcompact today that was back for repair. The repair sheet states that the barrel was replaced, Pivot and RH decocker polished
feed ramp. What was done did not solve the problem. If you load 9mm ammo and release the slide and want to unload this live round you are unable to
eject the round this was with Federal 115gr. FMJ and other brands. I had to get my son a LEO to help me to pull back the slide to remove the live round. If you do a drop test with the barrel for Speer Gold Dot 147gr. 9mm the round does not go into the chamber to the right depth in the chamber. This is the same thing that the first barrel did if they did really change it. This drop test I have done with eight different brands of ammo only four that work in this gun.. I have many guns none of these guns do what this gun does with the ammo.

Why don't you take it out and shoot it? Put a few hundred rounds though it and see. I'll remind you that these guns have tighter tolerances than most, so try it by shooting it and not manually messing with it right now and coming to conculsions. I understand what you're doing and why...but try shooting it. Someone I know had a similar issue with one and finally did what I suggested. Problem went away. Remember also, some guns just don't like certain ammo or bullet profiles / OAL. I suspect you won't have an issue after that, but if you still aren't satisfied, call KRISS and discuss it with them,...but talk to them. No email.

Yes, some HK's are fantastic. A used USP .45 Elite, a new USP45 Tactical, a new .40 USP Tactical and a new USP 9mm Expert. All fantastic DA/SA after a 6~800 rounds break in period. A USP .45C SS slideDA\SA date coded AA is also a great shooter. After that, a HK45CT had a lousy trigger (new) and after $360 and $90 in shipping, the HK45CT is as good as my Tactical, Expert or Elites. I sold off a USP9C (used) that was a heavy LEM because I could not hit a bull moose in the ass. The new .40 USPC LEM is a work in progress. My HK45 LEM justs twists and torques in my hand even though the ergonomics are great. The VP9 and P30 (LEM) again have great ergonomics but I can't get a reasonable group. I did find that I shoot a Walther PPQ-M1 better thant the VP9 or P30. I bought a Sphinx SDP SubCompact in 9mm and it fits me perfectly and shoots groups like my Elite\Expert and Tacticals. It did take 800 rounds to break the Sphinx, kept it heavily oiled, and I passed it around the range. The quotes are "worth twice my P07, I don' believe that you haven't done trigger work on it, or can I shoot another mag thru it ater the first 5 mags (his ammo). I have only shot my 147gr taget loads so far. Yes the slide release was heavy at first but is now very managable, no problem with the rifling and its fits my palm perfectly, though, it doesn't feel ergonomic. So for $850, 13 round capacity, easily concealed, a little heavy (needs the right holster), $35.00 mags , only a few aftermarket accesories are available for it. I will now sell off my block 19's and 17's. I already ditched my G26. Is the Sphinx not a preetty gun, YUP but its action and accuracy makes its looks insugnificant IMHO.

AVG shoot the gun and see how it does then address it with Sphinx. It might surprise you it might not but shooting not is the only way to know.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
10x, I have a Bladetech Nano for my compact. The subcompact does not fit in it. That's why I got the Stealthgear pictured above.

I wish I would have known you needed the Safariland as I have a spare you could have for the cost of shipping. I don't want any $ for it.

I ended up ordering the Stealthgear Onyx AIWB for my Sub. The Safariland is nice to have but its not a concealable holster in the warm weather. It was less than $10 so I'm glad I got it but I sure am looking forward to the Onyx. I came back to this thread to get the contact info for Kriss. I'm going to see if they have any different height front sight blades. This pistol shoots groups smaller than my palm from 15 yards without much effort. Looking forward to seeing how small I can get those groups.

For whatever reason, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the Sphinx SDP pistols. I suppose I'm just used to the old Sphinx handguns and expect that kind of quality when I see the name.

They're good pistols, but certainly nothing like the 2000 or 3000 Series.

They are for me. I've got 3 of these SDP's and they are pretty much perfect and on par with the 3000. Wonderful triggers, outstanding accuracy. Can't fault anything. YMMV.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
They are for me. I've got 3 of these SDP's and they are pretty much perfect and on par with the 3000. Wonderful triggers, outstanding accuracy. Can't fault anything. YMMV.

You think they're on par with a 3000?

I've got a couple 2000 series guns and there's no way there's as much hand craftsmanship in the SDP. It's not even close. It's a production gun and Sphinx pumps them out quickly. That's totally different from the manufacturing standards from years past.

Of course, they cost less now than the 2000 series did 25 years ago, so it's all relative. I'm not saying it's a bad gun, it's just not what they used to be.

Sphinx got away from the custom built stuff and got into the production business. I can't say I blame them, as it's probably much more profitable.

I believe the quality is there, yes, every bit as good. As you said one is custom made one is production so it's all relative but I do believe for $800 and some change you are getting the quality of the $2500 3000. Is the SDP or are the SDP's at the exact same level? No, but they are right there. If the SDP's were priced in line with the 3000, I'd say the SDP's should be $1500 pistols.

Tundra has an all stainless version and this is what he says as well. When the SDP standard hits in a month or so, the production version of the SDP will be on par with the 3000.
http://www.sphinxarms.com/inde...ne-9mm-manual-safety

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I believe the quality is there, yes, every bit as good. As you said one is custom made one is production so it's all relative but I do believe for $800 and some change you are getting the quality of the $2500 3000. Is the SDP or are the SDP's at the exact same level? No, but they are right there. If the SDP's were priced in line with the 3000, I'd say the SDP's should be $1500 pistols.

Tundra has an all stainless version and this is what he says as well. When the SDP standard hits in a month or so, the production version of the SDP will be on par with the 3000.
http://www.sphinxarms.com/inde...ne-9mm-manual-safety

We will agree to disagree. I don't have as much experience with a 3000, but there's a heck of a lot more difference between the SDP models I've seen and my AT2000S and Competitor than just the materials used.

I do look forward to seeing the steel SDP, but the steel itself is not going to transform the gun into one of their handbuilt guns. There's a reason they cost that much more. That's like comparing a a steel American production Sig, such as a P220 10mm to an X Five L1. Two different guns...

The SDP production stainless full sized gun won't be cheap. Approaching $2k.

I understand your point. Mine is these SDP's are worthy of having the name stamped on the side and are duty guns so it's relative. Are they full blown race guns like the 3000? Not quite, but they aren't $2500 either. I believe you are getting 80% or more of the 3000 at the $850 price point. That extra 20% will be there in the SDP production line and a worthy successor to the 3000. These SDP's aren't cheap knockoff guns. All 3 of mine, materials are top notch, tolerances are tight, extremely well made. Each example I feel I robbed Sphinx for what I paid. These feel like $1k or more guns to me, easily. You wouldn't carry a race gun, well I wouldn't so I think Kriss and Sphinx have a line of duty guns where you get 80% or more of the performance of the 3000 for an attractive price. I will be buying a Standard black line and a production version in the next 12 months. They sold me. The groups out of the subcompact 3" are phenomenal and these are duty 3000's afaiac. I've said since I got my first, the subcompact, that the build quality reminds me of the X5. To me like having an X5 subcompact CCW. As I said, YMMV, but have you shot one of these SDP's?

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Originally posted by bac1023:
That's like comparing a a steel American production Sig, such as a P220 10mm to an X Five L1. Two different guns...

That's a pretty fair analogy. I have both a Sphinx Subcompact and a X5-L1. The SIG is a full blow Mastershop masterpiece. My P226 and other SIGs are very, very good, but the X5-L1 is just a marvel to handle and shoot.

My Sphinx is not to the Mastershop level, but its feel and precision, to me, exceed production SIGs.

This is a very nice argument to have, as I feel I have the best of of two worlds with the Sphinx. A SIG priced pistol offering a higher level of workmanship.

My Onyx holster shipped today, and when Kriss finally gets around to importing night sights for the Sphinx, my Sub will replace my P-239 SAS Gen 2 for carry, a terrific pistol, but not quite at the Sphinx level.

That I choose to make a change in carry pistols, a critical, not lightly thought out change, puts my money where my mouth is.

MP

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
The SDP production stainless full sized gun won't be cheap. Approaching $2k.

I understand your point. Mine is these SDP's are worthy of having the name stamped on the side and are duty guns so it's relative. Are they full blown race guns like the 3000? Not quite, but they aren't $2500 either. I believe you are getting 80% or more of the 3000 at the $850 price point. That extra 20% will be there in the SDP production line and a worthy successor to the 3000. These SDP's aren't cheap knockoff guns. All 3 of mine, materials are top notch, tolerances are tight, extremely well made. Each example I feel I robbed Sphinx for what I paid. These feel like $1k or more guns to me, easily. You wouldn't carry a race gun, well I wouldn't so I think Kriss and Sphinx have a line of duty guns where you get 80% or more of the performance of the 3000 for an attractive price. I will be buying a Standard black line and a production version in the next 12 months. They sold me. The groups out of the subcompact 3" are phenomenal and these are duty 3000's afaiac. I've said since I got my first, the subcompact, that the build quality reminds me of the X5. To me like having an X5 subcompact CCW. As I said, YMMV, but have you shot one of these SDP's?

I'm not talking about race guns. I'm just talking about my standard Sphinx AT2000S. I have not shot an SDP, but I've handled a half dozen of them. I don't doubt their accuracy. The CZ design is one of outstanding accuracy. I'm simply saying that the build quality of them doesn't compare well to the guns they used to build 20-25 years ago, in my opinion. I'm not even saying that accuracy is any different. I have CZ's that have the accuracy of my Sphinx pistols, quite honestly.

As for price, there is always diminishing returns. For instance, I certainly don't believe a $3500 1911 is close to twice the gun of one costing $2000.

As far the X Five L1, I really can't see where an SDP compares at all. I'm sorry. I think the SDP is a good gun and a good value for the dollar, but I think some people see the name and logo and get a little carried away. That's just my opinion.

Take a look at the fit and finish, build tolerances, and refinement of a plain Jane AT2000S and see what sort of work Sphinx used to do. Like I said, I realize it's not apples to apples, due to price. That's why I'm saying that Sphinx has shifted to being production oriented. They are good pistols, but not that jewel-like gun they used to be.

No offense meant. These are just my observations. Take them for what they're worth.

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Originally posted by MusProd:

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Originally posted by bac1023:
That's like comparing a a steel American production Sig, such as a P220 10mm to an X Five L1. Two different guns...

That's a pretty fair analogy. I have both a Sphinx Subcompact and a X5-L1. The SIG is a full blow Mastershop masterpiece. My P226 and other SIGs are very, very good, but the X5-L1 is just a marvel to handle and shoot.

My Sphinx is not to the Mastershop level, but its feel and precision, to me, exceed production SIGs.

This is a very nice argument to have, as I feel I have the best of of two worlds with the Sphinx. A SIG priced pistol offering a higher level of workmanship.

My Onyx holster shipped today, and when Kriss finally gets around to importing night sights for the Sphinx, my Sub will replace my P-239 SAS Gen 2 for carry, a terrific pistol, but not quite at the Sphinx level.

That I choose to make a change in carry pistols, a critical, not lightly thought out change, puts my money where my mouth is.

MP

I would definitely agree that the SDP pistols are nicer than an Exeter P Series Sig.

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Originally posted by bac1023:


I'm not talking about race guns. I'm just talking about my standard Sphinx AT2000S. I have not shot an SDP, but I've handled a half dozen of them. I don't doubt their accuracy. The CZ design is one of outstanding accuracy. I'm simply saying that the build quality of them doesn't compare well to the guns they used to build 20-25 years ago, in my opinion. I'm not even saying that accuracy is any different. I have CZ's that have the accuracy of my Sphinx pistols, quite honestly.

As for price, there is always diminishing returns. For instance, I certainly don't believe a $3500 1911 is close to twice the gun of one costing $2000.

As far the X Five L1, I really can't see where an SDP compares at all. I'm sorry. I think the SDP is a good gun and a good value for the dollar, but I think some people see the name and logo and get a little carried away. That's just my opinion.

Take a look at the fit and finish, build tolerances, and refinement of a plain Jane AT2000S and see what sort of work Sphinx used to do. Like I said, I realize it's not apples to apples, due to price. That's why I'm saying that Sphinx has shifted to being production oriented. They are good pistols, but not that jewel-like gun they used to be.

No offense meant. These are just my observations. Take them for what they're worth.

Understood. We all don't need to agree on everything. I was merely suggesting to shoot one. You might be pleasantly surprised. I was.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:

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Originally posted by bac1023:


I'm not talking about race guns. I'm just talking about my standard Sphinx AT2000S. I have not shot an SDP, but I've handled a half dozen of them. I don't doubt their accuracy. The CZ design is one of outstanding accuracy. I'm simply saying that the build quality of them doesn't compare well to the guns they used to build 20-25 years ago, in my opinion. I'm not even saying that accuracy is any different. I have CZ's that have the accuracy of my Sphinx pistols, quite honestly.

As for price, there is always diminishing returns. For instance, I certainly don't believe a $3500 1911 is close to twice the gun of one costing $2000.

As far the X Five L1, I really can't see where an SDP compares at all. I'm sorry. I think the SDP is a good gun and a good value for the dollar, but I think some people see the name and logo and get a little carried away. That's just my opinion.

Take a look at the fit and finish, build tolerances, and refinement of a plain Jane AT2000S and see what sort of work Sphinx used to do. Like I said, I realize it's not apples to apples, due to price. That's why I'm saying that Sphinx has shifted to being production oriented. They are good pistols, but not that jewel-like gun they used to be.

No offense meant. These are just my observations. Take them for what they're worth.

Understood. We all don't need to agree on everything. I was merely suggesting to shoot one. You might be pleasantly surprised. I was.

Like I said, I don't doubt the gun's accuracy. I'll shoot one at some point.

Check out an AT2000 if you ever see one. I think you'll see my point.

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Originally posted by bac1023:


Like I said, I don't doubt the gun's accuracy. I'll shoot one at some point.

Check out an AT2000 if you ever see one. I think you'll see my point.

I don't doubt you or it. My point is I'm getting 80% or more of that pistol for 1/3rd the price. Accuracy, trigger, on par. Apples and Oranges most definitely. You know what they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. And I do think the production line guns will be a worthy successor to the 2000 & 3000.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:

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Originally posted by bac1023:


Like I said, I don't doubt the gun's accuracy. I'll shoot one at some point.

Check out an AT2000 if you ever see one. I think you'll see my point.

I don't doubt you or it. My point is I'm getting 80% or more of that pistol for 1/3rd the price. Accuracy, trigger, on par. Apples and Oranges most definitely. You know what they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure. And I do think the production line guns will be a worthy successor to the 2000 & 3000.

Its hard to quantify a percentage in that fashion. I guess it depends on how you look at it.

As far as being a worthy successor, again that depends on what a person's perspective and expectations are. Personally, I'd prefer Sphinx to focus on the boutique high end custom market like they used to. We have enough sub $1000 production pistols on the market, as far as I'm concerned. When I see the name "Sphinx" I have a certain expectation, since I've been in the shooting business a long time.

Of course, it seems these lower priced production guns are a better business to be in, otherwise, they wouldn't have switched. As it stands, its a great value at its price point and I know many people love them.

I'm just spoiled, I guess.

I wish that did something for me. I'd prefer a newer version that I can swap mags with.

As you said, all about expectations. I'm glad they are preferring to work on carry-able versions instead of boutique versions that mostly sit in people's safes collecting dust. Instead of just enjoying one in the safe or the occasional range trip I get to enjoy 24/7.






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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I wish that did something for me. I'd prefer a newer version that I can swap mags with.

As you said, all about expectations. I'm glad they are preferring to work on carry-able versions instead of boutique versions that mostly sit in people's safes collecting dust. Instead of just enjoying one in the safe or the occasional range trip I get to enjoy 24/7.

You make some valid points. High end guns aren't for everyone. That's why Sphinx changed their business to production guns. However, there is still a great appreciation for the custom models and they bring big bucks on Gunbroker these days when they come up for sale.

It's a different mindset is all. I collect high end pistols and enjoy the work that goes into guns built one at a time. I guess that's why I'm underwhelmed by the SDP.

Not sure where "collecting dust" comes from. I was just out blasting away with my Competitor this past weekend. I've got three old Sphinx pistols and shoot two of them regularly. They are durable, great shooting guns, not something to be babied.

If you want a good production pistol that does break the bank, the SDP is great. If I never saw what they used to build, that would be enough for me. As it stands, my perception and expectation of Sphinx is different than yours. Not better or worse, it's just different due to my past experiences. I just don't associate the name with production grade pistols.

To each their own, of course. You seem to very happy with them and you're not alone. In some ways, its good to see Sphinx selling guns in quantity. Selfishly, I would just prefer them to do what they used to do.

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