Looks like a Taurus and no paddle mag release? Meh.

I picked one up today. I may try to take it to the range as soon as tomorrow morning.
This is in the size range of the Shield Plus and 365XL. Being HK, I expect it is more robust than the aforementioned. I thought we were getting the VP9CC, but this is great, too. Unlike the Shield Plus, this optic cut has an RMSc footprint so at least we’ve got that going for us.

This is one of those guns I will pick up when the prices settle down. I’m looking forward to hearing how they perform in the hands of the early buyers.

Please follow up with your thoughts if you don’t mind.

The only reason this should exist is... it gives current HK users a mini-9 that can accept the magazines from the VP9/P30 (sk and full size) family. I don't see that anywhere, or did I miss something?

Otherwise there are cheaper options that do the same job.

It is a bespoke mag. Gun/mag is thinner then the VP9/P30 etc. guns/mags.

Everybody wants a piece of the pie and honestly for a lot of HK folks just having the HK rollmark is enough. If it “feels” “handles” similarly to my other HK’s and it shows to be reliable and safe I may very well be on board. Even though I want to be hammered and paddled in a perfect world.

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Originally posted by MacGyver:

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Originally posted by ACP1:
I'll get one to shoot against my 365 (best I have found so far) that I don't really care for. Maybe it the micro 9s that I don't like but I keep trying to find an acceptable one.

That's right about where I am. I haven't found anything yet that makes me want to replace my old "chopped service pistol" subcompacts (G26, P2000SK, and VP9SK). The biggest problem for me has been the ergonomics of ALL of the micro-9s so far, specifically (but not necessarily exclusively) the small grip circumference. My trigger finger always ends up poorly positioned, which seriously compromises shootability. That's a deal-breaker for me. And then there are other things I haven't liked, depending on the make/model:

Too short on capacity - Glock 43, Walther PPS, FN 503, S&W Shield
Manual of arms - FN Reflex, SIG P365
Additional grip issues - S&W Shield, S&W Shield Plus, Walther PPS, SA Hellcat
Trust/quality issues - SIG P365

I'm pretty adaptable, so I won't say these pistols were all totally awful and unacceptable (far from it). But the ONLY downside to my G26, P2000SK, and VP9SK has been that their thickness negatively impacts carry comfort (and that's the most acceptable compromise anyway).

G43x?

Glad this is finally out, but will wait for everyday pricing to add to my HK collection.

Hoping they release a no rail version.

HKAg

First of all, they should have ditched the ambi. magazine button. Just make it reversible. How complex are the internals? Does it have a boat load of small parts and a sketchy TRS like the VP9?

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How complex are the internals? Does it have a boat load of small parts and a sketchy TRS like the VP9?

I watched the Teufelhund video and I will say the internals, at a glance, seem a bit simpler then the VP9, that said I am sure it uses a similar TRS as the trigger seems to be very similar. Firing pin/striker block safety seems simpler and more robust/normal then the VP9s.

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Originally posted by cslinger:

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How complex are the internals? Does it have a boat load of small parts and a sketchy TRS like the VP9?

I watched the Teufelhund video and I will say the internals, at a glance, seem a bit simpler then the VP9, that said I am sure it uses a similar TRS as the trigger seems to be very similar. Firing pin/striker block safety seems simpler and more robust/normal then the VP9s.

Thanks, cslinger. I'll have to check out the video.

I had an early VP9 and there was a lot to like about it. I just couldn't see the need for the complexity.
To be honest, I wish HK would have included the old paddle magazine release if they had to make the release ambi.. I've never been a fan of mirrored buttons.

As someone with significant lower back issues and carries AIWB, I will stick with my hammer fired guns. My P2000SK is currently at Grayguns right now getting some love and I can't wait for that to come back. Glad to see more offerings, but sort of wish someone would go old school and throw out a hammer fired option. I realize why they don't, but still...

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sort of wish someone would go old school and throw out a hammer fired option. I realize why they don't, but still...

Welcome to the choir preacher, coffee and donuts are in the back.

I’ll be honest a little part of wishes I would have picked up the slim hammer fired offering Springfield had a few years back.

I like it. Would prefer the actual German version, the SFP9cc honestly, and a paddle release, but I'll probably pick one of these up once the initial pricing drops to a normal level.

Looks nice and being an HK I will probably get one if it fits my hand/fingers well enough to shoot it well.

Currently my slim micro 9MM are "old reliable" my Walther PPS 9MM and my recent Shield Plus which I also like very much and both shoot fantastic (not snappy for me) being easy to handle and shooting like larger pistols and fitting my larger hands very well unlike pretty much everything else out there that I might be interested in.

I am fine with the button magazine release and being USA it is far far preferred over the paddle release. Walther went to button magazine release only with the PDP and PPS M2 due to their experiences where the PPQ button release model sold about ten times as well as the paddle release according to some reports from Walther.

Sure a DA/SA external hammer fired micro would be nice but in reality they also are slow sellers in overall poly frame pistol market plus the nature of the design would make the pistol larger/taller with higher bore axis being a turnoff to most potential buyers besides die hard hammer fired fans. The Springfield XDE was a flop and discontinued. Unless HK has a large military/agency want such and willing to buy several thousand I doubt we will ever see such.

Unlike some I am not concerned that this is a USA manufactured HK and probably the only way we will ever see an HK micro 9MM anyway due to draconian export laws in Germany and will result in more ready and consistent supply for the US market plus probably a better price too.

Looking forward to see reports from owners in the coming months. I expect after the initial rush we will see these in the mid $500 range or so.

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Originally posted by ruger357:

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Originally posted by MacGyver:

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Originally posted by ACP1:
I'll get one to shoot against my 365 (best I have found so far) that I don't really care for. Maybe it the micro 9s that I don't like but I keep trying to find an acceptable one.

That's right about where I am. I haven't found anything yet that makes me want to replace my old "chopped service pistol" subcompacts (G26, P2000SK, and VP9SK). The biggest problem for me has been the ergonomics of ALL of the micro-9s so far, specifically (but not necessarily exclusively) the small grip circumference. My trigger finger always ends up poorly positioned, which seriously compromises shootability. That's a deal-breaker for me. And then there are other things I haven't liked, depending on the make/model:

Too short on capacity - Glock 43, Walther PPS, FN 503, S&W Shield
Manual of arms - FN Reflex, SIG P365
Additional grip issues - S&W Shield, S&W Shield Plus, Walther PPS, SA Hellcat
Trust/quality issues - SIG P365

I'm pretty adaptable, so I won't say these pistols were all totally awful and unacceptable (far from it). But the ONLY downside to my G26, P2000SK, and VP9SK has been that their thickness negatively impacts carry comfort (and that's the most acceptable compromise anyway).

G43x?

I like both the G43X and G48. However, even though they meet my own 10rd minimum requirement, they are a little too long in the grip (at which point I expect a higher capacity). My G26, despite being chunkier, actually sticks out less.

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Originally posted by cslinger:

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How complex are the internals? Does it have a boat load of small parts and a sketchy TRS like the VP9?

I watched the Teufelhund video and I will say the internals, at a glance, seem a bit simpler then the VP9, that said I am sure it uses a similar TRS as the trigger seems to be very similar. Firing pin/striker block safety seems simpler and more robust/normal then the VP9s.

Thanks, cslinger. I'll have to check out the video.

I had an early VP9 and there was a lot to like about it. I just couldn't see the need for the complexity.
To be honest, I wish HK would have included the old paddle magazine release if they had to make the release ambi.. I've never been a fan of mirrored buttons.

James now works for HK, and the vid seemed a little "promotional", not really what I would think of as non-biased review.
Vid was released 3 days ago and Business Dev Mgr HK Release was 2 days ago.

Just keeping it real.

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

James now works for HK, and the vid seemed a little "promotional", not really what I would think of as non-biased review.
Vid was released 3 days ago and Business Dev Mgr HK Release was 2 days ago.

Just keeping it real.

Yea...I've learned to not buy into the hype and just give it time to play out.

I'm sure this pistol has some nice features but nothing really stood out to me but I've never shot one. My ultimate small carry gun would have the ergonomics and shootability of a P365, simplicity and durability of a G43x and capacity of a Hellcat.

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

James now works for HK, and the vid seemed a little "promotional", not really what I would think of as non-biased review.
Vid was released 3 days ago and Business Dev Mgr HK Release was 2 days ago.

Just keeping it real.

Absolutely all these early vids are basically adds and James is absolutely “selling” the gun. My comments were from pausing on the various breakdowns of of the gun and making some educated guesses as to what I was seeing.

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Originally posted by cslinger:

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Originally posted by Blackwater:

James now works for HK, and the vid seemed a little "promotional", not really what I would think of as non-biased review.
Vid was released 3 days ago and Business Dev Mgr HK Release was 2 days ago.

Just keeping it real.

Absolutely all these early vids are basically adds and James is absolutely “selling” the gun. My comments were from pausing on the various breakdowns of of the gun and making some educated guesses as to what I was seeing.

Yea, lots of good info and detail about the gun and they’re all sell jobs/click bait after the embargo. Not directed at you specifically just adding some context to a previous post about a “review”. The vid title even states “release”, not to be confused with review (non-biased)