Fixed 10” bayonet on my M1.

Thrown like a spear, of course. I’m not a total heathen.

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Originally posted by Walther Dude:
Perp is holding a gun to your wife's head 30 ft. away in your kitchen in low light conditions. You believe he will kill her. You are armed with a 9mm semi-automatic from your nightstand.

What gun would it be? How confident would you be in the gun and for what reasons?

I had to go back and look at the original question... and I at least am pretty certain Para is right... if for no other reason I'm not sure there is a 30ft distance visual from my kitchen... but just to answer that question... it would be a Sig P239 in 357sig caliber with a Crimson Trace laser grip.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:

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Originally posted by Walther Dude:
Perp is holding a gun to your wife's head 30 ft. away in your kitchen in low light conditions. You believe he will kill her. You are armed with a 9mm semi-automatic from your nightstand.

What gun would it be? How confident would you be in the gun and for what reasons?

I had to go back and look at the original question... and I at least am pretty certain Para is right... if for no other reason I'm not sure there is a 30ft distance visual from my kitchen... but just to answer that question... it would be a Sig P239 in 357sig caliber with a Crimson Trace laser grip.

Aim to the side, at only 30 feet, they'd both be OODA-loop-incapacitated from the shock&awe of the Hammer of Thor® muzzle blast, long enough to sprint on over and apply the sleeper hold.

We train for that exact scenario. One of the questions on our hiring board is very close to the OP question. Although it has to do with officers and not your wife.

Wouldn't be an issue for most of our guys.

This target was at 12 yards.





TXPO

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Originally posted by Texaspoff:
One of the questions on our hiring board is very close to the OP question. Although it has to do with officers and not your wife.

TXPO

Must be a question asked on many hiring board interviews, I was asked the same scenario (not wife, or officer, but child in this one) during my hiring board in 1988.

Confidence, head shots, AR vs RDS pistol, adrenaline, low light,

I'm going back to sleep, watch the news in the morning, see what happened.

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Originally posted by Orive 8:


Must be a question asked on many hiring board interviews, I was asked the same scenario (not wife, or officer, but child in this one) during my hiring board in 1988.

I had a similar question asked by a board during a border patrol interview many years ago.

Very nice groups for TXPO, but were those made under stress, in the dark, with shots coming your way? I suspect the grouping may open up, somewhat.

Most competitions and most training scenarios, involve a "hostage," an obscured target with a no-shoot adjacent target.

As noted before, we don't get to choose the range. In most any situation I can envison, there will be a plethora of no shoot targets. If i'm firing inside a home, for example, everything that isn't the target is a no-shoot. Those rounds will go through walls and hit neighbors, family members, someone walking their dog outside.

Is the situation plausible in which one must absolutely make a shot that's directly adjacent to, or covered by a no-shoot object? Yes, it's very plausible, and yes, one should be absolutely confident in the ability to make that shot. Just about every home invasion I read about involves a hostage somewhere. Recently a local one involved a youth saving the day by shooting the attacker.

As for the distance, if one depends on every defensive shooting being close-in, one will go through life very unprepared.

A few years ago, movie night with the wife, we walked to the car, and encountered a man beating his wife, near our car. People around, numerous vehicles, children present, plenty of ricochet opportunity. Neither the circumstance, nor the range is our choice; it's the bad guy's choice. Again, if you're threatened at a distance and youre in the open, are you going to stand there as a target and wait until he gets close, or are you going to end the threat? We don't look for trouble, but if we encounter it, we seldom get to choose the circumstance. Food for thought.

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Originally posted by Orive 8:

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Originally posted by Texaspoff:
One of the questions on our hiring board is very close to the OP question. Although it has to do with officers and not your wife.

TXPO

Must be a question asked on many hiring board interviews, I was asked the same scenario (not wife, or officer, but child in this one) during my hiring board in 1988.

So this was a question in an office setting? Cause if so, if I wanted that job, in the office I'd be 100% confident in my ability to take the shot up to at least a mile.

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Originally posted by Blume9mm:

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Originally posted by Walther Dude:
Perp is holding a gun to your wife's head 30 ft. away in your kitchen in low light conditions. You believe he will kill her. You are armed with a 9mm semi-automatic from your nightstand.

What gun would it be? How confident would you be in the gun and for what reasons?

I had to go back and look at the original question... and I at least am pretty certain Para is right... if for no other reason I'm not sure there is a 30ft distance visual from my kitchen... but just to answer that question... it would be a Sig P239 in 357sig caliber with a Crimson Trace laser grip.

Yes - I would be comfortable doing this with either of my crimson trace guns or my 239SAS .40. Unfortunately, my bedroom gun is a 12 gauge full of buckshot (unless I go open the safe for a rifle). Luckily - I'm with Para on this and don't see it as a likely problem for me to deal with. I think my 12 gauge will deal just fine with any of my more likely scenarios. And actually, there is a pistol between the bedroom and the kitchen - so, in this case, I would have either weapon as a choice since the bad guy is just standing in the kitchen waiting on me to get up and gather my gear....

Couple of random thoughts:

While you're taking your precision balls off a flea shot, what happens if the perp and/or wife moves?

Us gunguys/gungirls always like to talk about the gun part. Totally understandable, admirable and fun. However, in the scenario posted something is missing. Did you ever talk with your wife/girlfriend/kids about what they should do in in a situation like that? Or the reverse.

My late wife and I had a number of discussions on the topic. I carried 100% of the time, she carried occasionally. If we were on the street and a robbery/assault was attempted, HER job was to simply get out of the way of the line-of-fire. If necessary, I'd take care of the rest.

If it was a hostage-like situation as described, her job was to do something to allow me to make the shot. I had two years of close-quarters tactics training with and without a firearm. I taught her a couple of the simple techniques that could be used to momentarily or fully break free or create a safer shot, depending on the circumstances. Again, I'd take care of the rest.

What I'm saying is don't get tunnel vision when evaluating situations like this. The gun isn't everything. Turn the tables and cheat if you find yourself at a disadvantage. Discuss these things in advance with your spouse, girlfriend or good friends.

Single action shot with my 6” S&W 686.

This scene from the Blue Bloods show came to mind.

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Originally posted by Nipper:I taught her a couple of the simple techniques that could be used to momentarily or fully break free or create a safer shot, depending on the circumstances. Again, I'd take care of the rest.

Well, funny story about that.

In the early 2000s I attended the FBI Advanced Sniper school. One of the videos they showed was a bank teller from Chattanooga, TN that had been taken hostage by a pistol toting armed robber.

He exists the bank with the teller in front of him and a gun pointed at her head. Thing about it, her head was leaning waaaaaaaayyyyyyy over to the right away from the HT. CPD SWAT had a sniper shoot him in the head and promptly ended the hostage taking.

The backstory? Two years earlier CPD domed another dude coming out of the same bank......with the same teller as a hostage. Was her second time having a hostage taker shot off of her and she not only knew what to do, but was waiting for it.....

I don’t know if she got another job or bought a lottery ticket after that.

That IS funny! Poor girl. Yeah, life is unpredictable sometimes.

I was in the hospital for congestive heart failure in November of last year. Feeling a little sorry for myself. Then I recalled the news item I saw a month earlier. Got over sorry real quick.

A UPS guy was delivering a package to a house. What could go wrong. A civilian light plane crashed into the house killing the occupant and the UPS driver. Don't know about you, but my UPS and Fedex guys are there for 5-10 seconds before they go back to the truck.

Edited: Meant CONGESTIVE not conjunctive heart failure.

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I made certain to strongly impress on my female companions and kid that should a threat appear, they are to immediately get as far away from me as they can, as fast as they can.
And the hostage taker shot? You need to evaluate:
Distance. Type of hostage taker weapon. Position of both parties. Are they moving or stationary? Realistic evaluation of your making the shot with the gun you have.
And you need to make these evaluations damn quick.
Could I make the OPs shot? Maybe. But maybe not.
And remember you will have to justify your actions, shoot or not.

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Originally posted by Nipper:


I was in the hospital for conjunctive heart failure in November of last year.

I had not seen you around in a while.

I hope you are recovering well.

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Originally posted by Nipper:


I was in the hospital for conjunctive heart failure in November of last year.

I had to look that one up. You got maybe auto-corrected from congestive?

This is my nightstand gun. It will have to do...

Beretta 92 RDO by stoiclawyer, on Flickr

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Originally posted by RichardC:

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Originally posted by Nipper:
I was in the hospital for conjunctive heart failure in November of last year.

I had to look that one up. You got maybe auto-corrected from congestive?

Can't blame it on auto-correct. I just screwed up...edited it today.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Nipper:
I was in the hospital for conjunctive heart failure in November of last year.

I had not seen you around in a while.
I hope you are recovering well.

Thanks, yes I am fully recovered. Shooting every 1-2 weeks and still self-sufficient. Modern medical miracle with seven stents. Docs can't figure out why I'm not horizontal with tubes. It's because I still have too much ammo to burn. Too ornery to just die and leave it for somebody else.