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Originally posted by Walther Dude:
Maybe the perp is eating your Oreos. Maybe the perp wants your wife? Maybe they both are eating your Oreos. Problem is, you have to make a quick decision. If your first thought is what dating site will I get on first, then your wife is a gone pecan in more ways than one.

I can get more oreos.

My wife is the one who didn't want me to buy another pistol.

That Wilson doesn't seem like such a big investment now, does it, honey? No? You wait there. I'll place an order. Be right back.

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Originally posted by DSgrouse:

2) I need a gun to shoot the bad guy with that will not hurt my collection when the police take it.

This is an interesting take you see often, but where some people live, they're taking everything. People respond "How will the know what I have." In many of those same places, they know. And if they didn't, you're not owning anything ever again.

I've heard this, too. Use a cheap pistol in case it gets taken away after a shooting.

Not the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it's close to a tie.

If I'm in a shooting, I couldn't care less about the cost of the handgun, or whether it might get taken into evidence following that shooting. The ONLY thing I care about is that when the shooting stops, I'm not the dead one.

I'd much rather have the best, most reliable handgun I can have, that I can shoot well enough to be standing, after the fight. It may be a five hundred dollar Glock or it may be a three thousand dollar 1911...doesn't matter. If it gets taken into evidence, the cost is well worth whatever was spent because I just bought my life. Possibly my family's life, possibly someone else's famlily, too.

No matter what happens, I'm probably getting sued, and that's going to cost me far more than the pistol, even if I win the law suit(s). I'll probably get the handgun back afterward, but I may be so broke at that point that the most the pistol will do is get sold to pay legal expenses. That's assuming a righteous shoot that I won, and a law suit that I won. Change either of those, and all bets are off, and the cost of the handgun is completely irrelevant.

Don't carry a cheap firearm in case it gets taken away. Carry a quality, reliable firearm, regardless of cost, because your life matters. You have to win the gunfight, before you start worrying about your pistol being confiscated for evidence.

If you don't win the gunfight, then who cares about the cost of the handgun?

Tried that once, perhaps 20 years ago, in a night training range course. S&W 915 in my right hand, big Maglite flashlight in my left one. Drilled the hostage right between the eyes. I'll pass the baton on this scenario.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
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If I'm in a shooting, I couldn't care less about the cost of the handgun, or whether it might get taken into evidence following that shooting. The ONLY thing I care about is that when the shooting stops, I'm not the dead one.
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Ditto...well stated.

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Originally posted by Nipper:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
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If I'm in a shooting, I couldn't care less about the cost of the handgun, or whether it might get taken into evidence following that shooting. The ONLY thing I care about is that when the shooting stops, I'm not the dead one.
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Ditto...well stated.

Clint Smith stated in one of the classes that I took from him that the “cheap pistol” mentality was the stupidest thing he’d ever heard. He said that he wanted to use a $7,000 pistol. He knew that it was the best to save his life with and using a $7000 pistol screamed that he had no choice in terms that a first year law school student could get across to a jury.

First off, call to increase her life insurance and locate earplugs.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Nipper:

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
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If I'm in a shooting, I couldn't care less about the cost of the handgun, or whether it might get taken into evidence following that shooting. The ONLY thing I care about is that when the shooting stops, I'm not the dead one.
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Ditto...well stated.

Clint Smith stated in one of the classes that I took from him that the “cheap pistol” mentality was the stupidest thing he’d ever heard. He said that he wanted to use a $7,000 pistol. He knew that it was the best to save his life with and using a $7000 pistol screamed that he had no choice in terms that a first year law school student could get across to a jury.

Can't disagree. I would be grabbing my Staccato XC with a Holosun 507C. Hard to miss unless you want to

The price of a gun has little bearing on my use. I use what works best for me.

However, the possibility of losing my gun to the police after a shooting did convince me to buy a copy. If my gun gets confiscated I have another one that has already been tested with my carry ammo and mags just sitting in the safe.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
The price of a gun has little bearing on my use. I use what works best for me.

However, the possibility of losing my gun to the police after a shooting did convince me to buy a copy. If my gun gets confiscated I have another one that has already been tested with my carry ammo and mags just sitting in the safe.

Can't argue with redundancy. I have always subscribed to two is one, one is none. Probability however...

Substitute the word "hostage" for "wife" and no specific distance mentioned, and that was the scenario that an instructor at one of the defensive classes I took described, as he admonished us to "be prepared to make the shot of your life." He ran us through a couple drills with this scenario, but they were likely limited as to how effectively this scenario can be simulated.

Which gun for this scenario? Whichever one I've established as reliable, and that I've trained and become proficient with. If the gun isn't capable of making this shot it doesn't get carried...but I'd guess most modern guns are capable of making this shot.

Now, as to whether the shooter is capable of this shot, that's a different matter.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
The price of a gun has little bearing on my use. I use what works best for me.

However, the possibility of losing my gun to the police after a shooting did convince me to buy a copy. If my gun gets confiscated I have another one that has already been tested with my carry ammo and mags just sitting in the safe.

%100. This is the exact conclusion I reached almost 20 years ago.

Shared manual-of-arms, shared mags, commonality and redundancy of spare parts, shared holsters and mag carriers... several good reasons to have a duplicate. In my case, I have multiples, with at least one designated as a training gun, and another as primarily a defensive gun. They've been sighted in, shown to be reliable, safe, and accurate with select ammo and mags, and checked in holsters.

If, God forbid, I was in a defensive shooting, my primary was confiscated during the investigation, and assuming I wasn't detained in jail, I would feel completely comfortable instantly relying on one of the duplicates.

One man's cheap is another mans grail. A gun making one shot in this crisis scenario won't have an effect larger than what the bullet propelled from the barrel will contribute. The ability to aim it will be up to the user skill more than a barrels relative accuracy, too.

If you shoot crap ammo from a $7,000 gun, it's still a crap shoot. It should hopefully be a goal to use a quality made and reliable firearm, but in the extreme, any gun will do. Dropping down from a custom meteorite framed 1911 to a .38 subnose that cost $200 is still all about the cartridge and what power the bullet has when it impacts, as long as the user does their job.

People have budgets and a gun is better than no gun, or so Im told. It's just a launch tube for the projectile, altho its not as disposable as a LAW after use. One shot throwaway isn't common in the handgun trade. The ammo is, tho, so instead of it being an contest over who gets to set the price floor and demand everybody conform, we should work at only shooting quality ammo for the results. We've all seen the continuous posting for decades over "I went to the range and my $$$ gun malfunctions! I was shooting "Junk Fodder" brand ammo and that shouldn't happen!" Oh yes it will. We have a mindset the gun is all important, yet we buy ammo based on price? Seems buying the firearm on price happens, too. We all don't buy $7,000 guns. In fact, very few do. And one mans gun is another mans cheap junk, another constant posting on fun forums. At least with less expensive guns someone might be able to have a backup - in the working mans range of pay, tho, $18 an hour doesn't leave much room. That's $3 an hour more than minimum now.

If you were looking for an inexpensive firearm today, would $350 be enough? Not for some - but it might also be a Smith 3900 3Gen series ex LEO 9mm. Saw those at gun shows last year, and they are still turning up. Appearance, not so much. Quality and effective, very much, but an alloy frame isn't make or break on them any more than a used G19 Glock.

The cost of a good working gun isn't a major factor, and its actually buying into the Saturday Nite handgun lie the antigunners keep leveraging. It's to their advantage to make guns as expensive as possible so that the folks in less well financed neighborhoods - where crime is higher - can't defend themselves - amplifying the effects for the liberals political agenda. If anything we should be using the cheapest possible guns to counteract that, but it doesn't support climbing the ladder of social rank online to do it.

This is America, buy and use what you like. The results are still mostly on who is holding the gun, they made the decisions on what to purchase. And if they buy those cheap Dollar Store cookies, thats on them too. Maybe this week ammo got the priority. At my age, some cookies are better than no cookies.

For those who think they'll shoot someone, then pick up a duplicate and be perfectly happy trucking along...good luck with that bubble when it bursts.

Can I cheat a little? 9mm semi, from next to my bed, but not in the night stand, would be CZ Scorpion with a brace and red dot.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
The price of a gun has little bearing on my use. I use what works best for me.

However, the possibility of losing my gun to the police after a shooting did convince me to buy a copy. If my gun gets confiscated I have another one that has already been tested with my carry ammo and mags just sitting in the safe.

I've always found it funny on TV shows when they take the good cops gun and badge and there he (or she) is now out in the world on there own with out a weapon still trying to get the bad guys....

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
For those who think they'll shoot someone, then pick up a duplicate and be perfectly happy trucking along...good luck with that bubble when it bursts.

Care to elaborate?

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
The price of a gun has little bearing on my use. I use what works best for me.

However, the possibility of losing my gun to the police after a shooting did convince me to buy a copy. If my gun gets confiscated I have another one that has already been tested with my carry ammo and mags just sitting in the safe.

%100. This is the exact conclusion I reached almost 20 years ago.

Shared manual-of-arms, shared mags, commonality and redundancy of spare parts, shared holsters and mag carriers... several good reasons to have a duplicate. In my case, I have multiples, with at least one designated as a training gun, and another as primarily a defensive gun. They've been sighted in, shown to be reliable, safe, and accurate with select ammo and mags, and checked in holsters.

If, God forbid, I was in a defensive shooting, my primary was confiscated during the investigation, and assuming I wasn't detained in jail, I would feel completely comfortable instantly relying on one of the duplicates.

Yup. In addition to the possibility of losing my firearm after a shooting, there is also the more likely possibility of my primary gun breaking and needing repair. I think there are several practical reasons to own a duplicate, possible confiscation is the least of which, but that’s what first got me thinking about it.

"What gun would it be? How confident would you be in the gun and for what reasons?"

My current EDC gun, my Shadow Systems MR918. Very confident, it's the gun that I train and practice with 99% of the time. If I wasn't confident in this gun, I would be carrying something else.

Just a well deserved plug for Ed Brown (the person). First, the only expensive handgun I own is a 2006 Wilson Pro .45. Had two very fine Colts but I wanted a Commander size pistol with some specific features I could only get from a semi-custom shop. Did my research and ended up with a WC. Blue/black finish, steel frame, standard size thumb safety (fabricated by WC), Tungsten FL guide rod, 4 1/2# trigger (not 3 1/2). In other words, a Commander size pistol that weighs and balances like a GM 1911. Best shooting gun I've ever owned.

During the research process (2006), I went to the Brown Web site. Like all semi-custom's, they had the standard Pistols and the more expensive "deluxe" variations. Had an FAQ that asked about the differences (other than price). He flatly (and honestly) stated that you DIDN'T NEED the bells and whistles on the deluxe/expensive version to get a good pistol. The quality, accuracy and reliability was the same, except for bells and whistles that some shooters liked. Pure preference and not performance. Refreshing.