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Shadow Systems markets this as a selling point. If your gun is confiscated for investigation, they will send you a same model replacement at no charge. I think the program only applies to LEOs though. I've heard conflicting things. | |||
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No, but the day you survive that gunfight may well be the beginning of the longest, and worst day of your life. | |||
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| Leatherneck |
Maybe, maybe not. I’m not a defeatist so I figure I can throw an extra few hundred bucks towards being prepared just in case it’s not the horror story some people experience. If it doesn’t work out I’ve lost very little. “Everybody wants a Sig in the sheets but a Glock on the streets.” -bionic218 04-02-2014 | |||
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Ken Hackathorn goes into that somwwhat in a recent video. | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
If it's got to be 9mm, I would use my Walther PDP Compact with a Delta Point Pro RDS. | |||
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| It's pronounced just the way it's spelled |
Under the OP’s scenario, it’s a W. German P226 with a red dot, that’s my bedside handgun. I feel fairly confident I can make the shot provided the perp isn’t hiding behind my wife and no one is eating my chocolate chip cookies. Now that isn’t my weapon of choice for this scenario, that would be either my PPQ or PCC competition guns, or AR carbine. | |||
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As for having duplicate guns, maybe it's just me but I like to work on things and take them apart and having a duplicate to figure out how to get the damn thing back together has saved me more than once. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
There aren't many 30 feet lengths of distance in my house. But, I'd probably be holding an AR, so . . . The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Same here. However, I DID make the 30 foot shot in a hallway with an AR-15 once. Simunitions, however. Attended the 1995 National Tactical Invitational (NTI} at Gunsite. One Simunition stage had you in a bedroom with an AR (iron sights) as your weapon. Start. Hear yelling from "wife" in hallway. Open door and look left. At end of hallway is "wife" being held from behind by perp with handgun. No brainer, one head shot one kill. It's quite easy - when it's not real and you have a rifle.  ______________________ An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. --Nicholas Murray Butler | |||
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10 yard head shots aren't difficult, per se. Do them all the time in competition. After the 2019 West Freeway church shooting, a friend of mine and I set out to (as much as possible) recreate it on the range. Head shot (IDPA -0 zone) - 15 yards - carry gun - 3 second par time. I think I was 15/15 with a PX4 Compact. Now, real world situation as described in the OP - whole different ballgame. But from the technical side of things - it's easily doable. I'm more proficient with a pistol than an AR, and at that range I wouldn't want to have to worry about mechanical offset, so I'd go with with my PX4 Compact or any of my Beretta 92s. | |||
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Well that shot in the church there was not a hostage but there were a lot of folks jumping around between. It was a tough shot for sure. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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I shot PPC for years, taught LE and civilians to shoot, and a ten yard shot in low light is doable under stress with any gun in my safe, from my First duty gun, a model 64 Smith 38.. To my last, the Glock 23 40 cal. But given a choice, I'd go with my Glock 35 with the Streamlight in place, which is my bedside gun... Or my thirty year old P220 45... My EDC. I don't do 9mm much. If it has to be a nine, Glock 19. My wife is mean as a snake, and likely would have solved the problem herself before I got a chance, then beaten the corpse for bleeding on her clean kitchen floor. Don't mess with farm wives. "You can tell a lot about the character of a man, by the way he treats those who can do nothing for him." | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
Nah. The longest and worst day of my life was when I got involved with a 44,000 volt power line and spent 2 weeks in a coma. | |||
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Is that why your name is "Flash"? | |||
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I hope that everyone understands that this was a trick (or at least misleading) question. Everyone assumes that the goal is to kill the perp without hitting your wife. The real answer is to use the highest velocity round available, aim at your wife's center mass, and shoot through her to kill the perp. This is a proven tactic demonstrated in many TV shows and movies. The perp always dies! As for the wife...well, it depends on whether she was in the last year of her TV contract or if she is being extended into next season. | |||
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Prepared for the Worst, Providing the Best |
There's not a gun in my safe that I couldn't do that with on the range (except for maybe the Kel-Tec P32). With my nightstand or carry guns, it's a piece of cake. In real-life, with a family member's life hinging on your shot...that's a whole other ballgame. I hope I'm never in a situation to have to find out. Thankfully I'm poor, and my house is pretty small, so if it ever did happen, I'd likely not have to shoot any further than half that distance  ! | |||
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Depends on how much life insurance she has .I'm not married. Sig 220. | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
Check the video, you'll find he's dead and she's only got a flesh wound.... | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
To everyone who thinks this is a piece of pie: Think about the differences between the range and the real thing: 1) no stress on the range versus about the most stress you can imagine, 2) poor light, 3) adrenaline (see stress), 4) distractions, 5) having to do this under time pressure. I am no gunfighter. But I have shot a lot of timed competition like IDPA and USPSA. I know it isn't a super-easy shot. I saw a lot of people who were good shooters under static, low stress conditions go completely to hell when the buzzer went off and they tried to shoot even moderately quickly and under the artificial pressure of shooting on the clock and for a score. I mean, like couldn't even hit the silhouette reliably, never mind the A-zone of the head. Many of them developed that skill, but for most everyone, it takes time and a fair amount of practice. Maybe everyone here has done it, and has mastered those skills. But I think there is some misunderestimating of just how hard that would be. When I was at my best, I could do a ten yard headshot with an AR and a red dot, and make that 10 yard shot very fast. I could make it with a pistol, but it took considerably more time to make it reliably. (I have no idea what having to avoid shooting an actual person, and not just a cardboard hostage, would have done to my ability.) Both would take me considerably more time now, as I don't shoot those competitions much any more. It really isn't that easy. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Well, here's something I know to a certainty- no one who is participating in this deep discussion will ever have to make such a shot. It's the stuff of adolescent fantasies, a Steven Seagal wet dream. So, you can debate this as seriously as you desire, but it's never going to happen to you. | |||
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