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Originally posted by The Viking:
AMC you stand corrected about a lot of things. Apparently you have never stripped a Zev or shot one.

I take it all back. A zev is not a glock but a glock is of course a HK vp70.
You sir are a class act. Thank you for blessing us with your intellect and humility.

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Originally posted by Vgex:
I feel like this is a Glock of Theseus argument. Enjoying it immensely.

Well the haters have always treated Glocks as something of a paradox. Or was it P.O.S.? Heavens, are we even talking about the same thing? Oh the horrors; this is WAY too existential for me...

All because of some damn clone trying to make something 'special' out of a service tool.

Although he has never handled or shot one, he is pursuing ex vivo musings. Lol

Wow. What is so apparently difficult to comprehend here? Yes a Glock is generally a service tool. So were 1911’s back in the day. Look at the high end 1911/2011 market today. High quality components, fancy slide cuts, greatly improved triggers, etc, etc. Many built for competition, not service. There is no difference in how the Glock design is evolving and will continue to evolve. When patents expire on very successful designs, this is what happens.

Are these clones as proven as the original? Hell no, but neither were various 1911 clones back in the day. Today the 1911 market is thriving even though the original company producing them was recently saved from life support.

The OZ9 features higher quality parts, much better attention to detail and fit and finish, etc, etc. Again, it’s akin to comparing a high end 1911 to a Colt or a high end CZ clone to a CZ.

If you don’t want to spend the money, so be it. Your decision, obviously. Don’t discount something you may never have even handled let alone shot or own. That’s all I’m saying. To those that own them and like them, they are worth the price.

This all started because Para called it a gussied up Glock. Which is an arguably true statement since it takes a metric shit ton of glock parts and you can interchange them en masse with a Glock.

Spend all the money you want it’s still a more expensive gussied up Glock clone that wouldn’t and couldn’t exist until the patent timed out.

What part of the term gussied up Glock bothers you so much? Glocks are great. If I was going to design a gun I would steal the basic ideas from the greats too. Glock, CZ, Colt. Nobody copies a DeLorean.

We need that meme that says show us on this gun doll where the bad man hurt you. I bet that gun shoots great. Why wouldn’t it? I believe the angst comes from the OP who presented this gun like it was an original thought (nope, not a Glock by any stretch I believe was the quote). Like my kids who find an amazing song but are disturbed to find out it’s a cover of a song from when I was a kid or worse when grandma was a kid. Lol

I love a well done clone.

Clone - "one that appears to be a copy of the original form"
" Someone or something that looks very much like someone or something else."
So all you guys that are claiming a mass of parts of the Glock are interchangeable with the Zev - how many parts have you interchanged? None. Because you have not owned or shot a Zev.
To: AMC " No check your meds" Before you insult some one make sure you are not an idiot adding to the noise which your are because you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. You are not a class act but an insulting little pipsqueak.
This has been fun. I will continue to shoot my Zevs because they shoot much better than my Glocks. Regardless of whether anyone wants to call them. The patents burned out a long time ago.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
To those that own them and like them, they are worth the price.

Yup, love my OZ9. These people just don’t get it!

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Originally posted by The Viking:
To: AMC " No check your meds" Before you insult some one make sure you are not an idiot adding to the noise which your are because you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. You are not a class act but an insulting little pipsqueak.

Yeah! Pipsqueak!

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Originally posted by The Viking:
Clone - "one that appears to be a copy of the original form"
" Someone or something that looks very much like someone or something else."
So all you guys that are claiming a mass of parts of the Glock are interchangeable with the Zev - how many parts have you interchanged? None. Because you have not owned or shot a Zev.
To: AMC " No check your meds" Before you insult some one make sure you are not an idiot adding to the noise which your are because you don't have a clue about what you are talking about. You are not a class act but an insulting little pipsqueak.
This has been fun. I will continue to shoot my Zevs because they shoot much better than my Glocks. Regardless of whether anyone wants to call them. The patents burned out a long time ago.

I do hear what you’re saying. It’s not a “clone” in the purest sense of the word. However, it had to wait until the patent expired to be built, so in practical terms, it’s a clone.

Many 1911 and CZ “clones” are not fully compatible either. The way I look at it is if a patient has to expire before the pistol is built, it’s a clone.

The CZ 75 was never patented, so clones were produced almost immaculately. The 1911’s patent had to expire first. In fact, JM Browning could not use many 1911 design features in the Browning Hi Power, even though he designed the 1911 as well, since it was still patented at the time.

This is all in good fun right?

We get it. The OP said “nope not a Glock by any stretch”. That is the entire rub right there. It is literally interchangeable with its Daddy the gen3 Glock.

Can you not even budge a teensy tiny amount and perhaps recognize that by saying it’s not even close to a Glock by any stretch is well, a stretch?

You guys want to pretend that Maury Povitch read the wrong result from the paternity test. It doesn’t work that way. Lol

It is very simple: You cannot take an original Glock and gussie it into a Zev.

A man should show some humility when he is wrong. I didn't understand how this gun was being compared to the p320. I looked into it, discovered my misstep and apologized for calling him wrong about his claim. That wasn't good enough.
The main disagreement here is the statement "its not a glock by any stretch" and he still rigidly sticks to this idea. Maybe Para was a little harsh by calling it a hussied-up glock.
I can see how that stings a little.
I don't believe the zev is a bad gun. Maybe it improves upon glock perfection. If I get a chance to shoot one sometime I'd happily give it a try but at this stage of life I fail justify spending my hard earned money on one in the same way I won't be purchasing a Wilson or Ed Brown 1911. Fantastic guns but to me not worth the extra cost over my SA 1911 or Dan Wesson.
If it's worth it to you. Go for it! It's a great looking, well built gun. Enjoy it.
But don't deny that it's a clone of the already fantastic glock. That's just burying your head in the sand and denying reality.
All the best to you.

A review of the zev.
https://www.guns.com/news/reviews/zev-tech-oz9-review

Guns.com review also calls the zev a glock clone.

Zev no red dot model has the sight on the barrel, seems odd.

Expensive glock clone.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
This is all in good fun right?

I hope so.

I posted recently about my newest acquisition:
Stoeger STR9C. Its a Glock, but Turkish. Or Turkiyish, now. Cheap, too!
The OPs Zev is probably a great gun, but my budget limit for Poly frames, regardless of design or maker is 1K. So, no Zev for me!

This thread reminds me of the infamous, "You will buy a Glock" thread.

Occasionally a member will post in that thread to smugly proclaim, "I won't own a Glock," or, "I got rid of all my Glocks..."

BUT

I have a Shadow Systems or Polymer80 or Lone Wolf or FMK or PSA Dagger...

OK, so nothing in your gun was made by Glock, but everything is an aftermarket part made to be compatible w/ Glocks. It's a clone, and the grip angle differs by a few degrees, but otherwise it's not at all like a Glock, b/c a Glock is beneath me.

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I want to see someone put the chassis of a Zev into the frame of a Glock. Bet you can't.

I want you to take your zev down to springs, pins, and parts and count how many will fit into my Glock. Want to take a bet on how many that is?

Everybody can play this game but the only way to win is not to play.

Why don't you take your Zev apart and tell me how many springs, pins, and parts (and count) how many will fit into your Glocks? Get back to me after you do this. Or why don't you just put a Zev chassis into your Glock and see if it works. Lots of luck with both

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I want you to take your zev down to springs, pins, and parts and count how many will fit into my Glock. Want to take a bet on how many that is?

Everybody can play this game but the only way to win is not to play.

Yep