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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Steel subframe, rail and all

It could be made of porcelain and cost more than you make in a month and it would still be a Glock.

Is a Cabot 1911 a Colt? How about Wilson Combat?

Colt’s patent expired just like Glock’s did, albeit many years ago.

Unlike the 1911 clones, the Zev doesn’t even share the Glock’s grip angle

I researched the problems people had with their Zevs. There were a few and Zev made them good. As far a " I heard" Yeah I heard that Sig is being sued because the Sig 320 is going off in their holsters. Mine have not done that: and, guess what, my Zev runs like a top.
And no it is not a clone or a Glock. People call every polymer pistol a Glock clone. They are not.
I have Wilsons and Nighthawks. I started shooting USPSA when it was in its infancy. You bought a Colt and took it to a gunsmith to make it reliable and shootable. It was garbage until you did that. No need to do that with Nighthawks, Baers, Browns, Wilsons. They are a far cry from the old Colt 1911s. Better and different pistols. Proof is in t the pudding.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Is a Cabot 1911 a Colt? How about Wilson Combat?

Now we're going in circles. You are free to think of these pistols however you wish, but as far as I am concerned, they're nothing but gaudy Glocks, for the very good reason that that's what they are.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Now we're going in circles. You are free to think of these pistols however you wish, but as far as I am concerned, they're nothing but gaudy Glocks, for the very good reason that that's what they are.

I’m not trying to go in circles, I’m simply trying to get some consistency.

It’s no more a Glock than an Ed Brown is a Colt. When patents expire, companies clone successful designs. Some clones are similarly priced with similar quality levels and then you get the highs and the lows.

Not trying to argue. I’m just making a correct analogy, which I believe you agree with whether you want to admit it or not.

In fact, the Zev OZ9 feels less like a Glock than some high end 1911’s feel like a Colt. Zev changed the grip angle and everything, not to mention turned it into a modular pistol using some high quality components. They are nice guns.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Not trying to argue.

No, of course not. Perish the thought.

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They are nice guns.

I love Glocks! I'm just not willing to pay 1800 bucks or whatever for a Glock.

A Salient BLU is also a sweet shootin' Glock pistol.

Yeah, that's another Glock

I looked at the linked gun The Viking provided. Are you guys really arguing that it isn't a Glock clone? Really?

Could I take that slide and put it on a Glock? Would it work? Sure looks like it would work. And I am doubtful (maybe I am wrong) of your assertion that no Glock parts work in that linked gun. Maybe he linked the wrong gun.

Did you also look at the way it came apart in that link that I provided? It comes apart more like a Sig 320 - must be a Sig 320 clone. Has a different frame than a Glock, comes apart differently than a Dlock, but then so does a Sig 320 - why they must both be Glocks. It does use some Glock parts I ( magazine, after market Glock sights, and a Gen 3 Glock trigger assembly - but no others). However, that does not make it a Glock.

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Originally posted by The Viking:
It does use some Glock parts...

Now, why would that be? After all, as you say, it's not a Glock.

Do you have to pull the trigger before take down?

To take advantage of the huge Glock aftermarket parts. That is why that would be. Clever. Same reason Glock 17 mags fit into a Glock 19.

Yup you must pull the trigger to take the slide off just like you do on the S&W M&P and Glock.

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Originally posted by The Viking:
Same reason Glock 17 mags fit into a Glock 19.

No, not exactly.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
I looked at the linked gun The Viking provided. Are you guys really arguing that it isn't a Glock clone? Really?

Could I take that slide and put it on a Glock? Would it work? Sure looks like it would work. And I am doubtful (maybe I am wrong) of your assertion that no Glock parts work in that linked gun. Maybe he linked the wrong gun.

Who is arguing it’s not a clone? Yes it’s a Glock clone, but it’s NOT A GLOCK. I personally said it has a different grip angle and a steel subframe and rail. It’s absolutely a Glock clone, albeit not nearly as close as some others.

Just like a Nighthawk is a Colt 1911 clone, but not a Colt. Same exact sort of thing. Patents expire. Clones are made. Some are cheap. Some are ok. Some are really nice. The most cloned handgun designs are the Colt 1911 and the CZ 75. Glock is now catching up.

Do any of you own one of these in this thread besides myself and the OP?

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Originally posted by The Viking:
Did you also look at the way it came apart in that link that I provided? It comes apart more like a Sig 320 - must be a Sig 320 clone. Has a different frame than a Glock, comes apart differently than a Dlock, but then so does a Sig 320 - why they must both be Glocks. It does use some Glock parts I ( magazine, after market Glock sights, and a Gen 3 Glock trigger assembly - but no others). However, that does not make it a Glock.

Agreed

Lot of pistols use Glock magazines. Lot of pistols use CZ magazines and especially Colt 1911 magazines. As you know, that doesn’t make them the same gun. Magazine compatibility is what makes many pistols successful.

Lot of venom in this thread and nobody even owns one. I say to those folks, stick to your Glocks. What you don’t know won’t hurt you.

I have Glocks and Zevs. Major difference in feel, parts quality, fitting, etc. Hmm…kind of like comparing a Colt to an Ed Brown. Not saying everyone should be willing to shell out $1500 to $2000 for a Zev, but don’t go discounting a fine gun you know nothing about.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Lot of venom in this thread and nobody even owns one.

Oh, c'mon. This thread has been pretty mild.
And yes, I have a couple of them. A Glock 17 AND a 26.
Just having a little fun.
I'm not sure of the odds my local range has one to try but I'll be sure to look.

Semantics. It’s a Glock clone. You could put the slide on my G19 and it would run like a top.

Lots of pistols use Glock magazines? Yea, they are all Glock clones. You know what doesn’t take Glock mags? Sigs, Berettas, CZ’s, S&W’s, HK’s. Clones take them.

The original quote is it’s a gussied up Glock. I think that is wildly spot on. You are arguing a very specific angle. And you are correct, it does not say GLOCK on the side. It just takes Glock mags, Glock parts, and any sights that fit Glocks fit this. Besides that, you are right. Lol

No venom intended.

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Originally posted by bac1023:
Lot of venom in this thread and nobody even owns one.

If by 'venom' you mean some people disagree with you staunchly, then yeah, we got venom, but, other than that, this thread is Sunday in the park.

Another entertaining thread on a Glock clone, aka, a pimptastic Glock. Carry on with your justification. Lol.