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The VP9 apparently has its own issues. Thankfully the striker safety works, because the sear engagement apparently isn't great. I admittedly have very little personal experience with them, but the one a guy brought to a class had a bunch of malfunctions when he was shooting one-handed, too. It did it for several of us, even after I had him go lube it to make sure that wasn't the issue. I wasn't impressed. If I have to find a replacement for the P320, the VP9 will be the last place I look. https://youtu.be/3kP9ZW57ov0?si=Z37NC6L745Vcxttl | |||
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I LOVE HK. It probably isn’t healthy how much I love HK, but I do love them and many of the products they produce. Having said that, I don’t think I particularly like any pistol design that utilizes a pre cocked striker. I actually still very much prefer a hammer fired pistol, but in reality I think if you’re going striker fired, then Glock is the way to go. Yep, they sure aren’t perfect, but generally any duty type pistol has to make some compromises. I just think that Glock got it right with their design and if one desires a striker fired pistol then they’re still top dog. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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WOOF! | |||
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Maybe para had it right all those years ago. Maybe just a G19 MOS with one of those fancier direct mount slides is the way to go. And a performance duty trigger that is  | |||
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The Ruger RXM may be the one Glock pattern gun I keep. The straight back Magpul grip makes a big difference for me. The factory trigger isn't great, but seems it has a 3.5 lb connector with a rolling break. A Glock 5 lb "dot" connector should make it more like a factory Glock. If enough trainers and competitive matches ban the P320, Sig will have to do something tangible. | |||
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Indeed. I've trained with RPD and known Dave for years and trust him (my shotgun training has been with RPD as well). I also received that email. I own a P320 but have never used it to train. When we do transition training I've always used my P229. ----------------------- You can't fall off the floor. | |||
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Since the vp9 is being discussed in this thread, now I’m wondering what system the cc9 has? Is it like the vp9? | |||
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^^^With respect to the trigger, the CC9 has a fully-cocked striker just like the VP9. However, the CC9’s striker block safety is the conventional plunger type (such as you’d find on a Glock or most modern hammer-fired pistols). And since it’s been mentioned, yes, the VP9 is (to my knowledge) the only current striker-fired pistol (other than the P320) that has an unconventional striker block safety. However, I’ve never heard of the VP9 having an issue in that area, unlike the P320. | |||
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so does this reflect in the cost of used P320's on the market? Maybe a ton of leo trade in weapons? | |||
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Anything coming out of the feds will be shredded. Local agencies will try to trade. But, they’ll take a beating on them. | |||
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Posted from here: https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/9550081615 I have not reviewed this video, but merely moved it into this thread. | |||
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The Glock Performance Trigger employs a fully-cocked striker, unlike Glock's traditional system, so, maybe just a stock Glock trigger for duty use. | |||
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If the M9 was ceracoted, it would look the same. Under heavy use, the ceracote will scuff....on any firearm. Refinishing it to a new look if that's what's needed is dimple enough. One military Ad that I had first hand knowledge of occurred last year in a middle east Turned out the CO authorized the use of a M17 holster for their M18's. | |||
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That would be my preference as well. For a carry or duty gun it doesn’t have to have a race gun trigger.i honestly think that’s where the P320 went wrong, they tried to build a duty gun with a race gun trigger system. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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I can’t comment based upon first hand knowledge so I can’t say for sure what exactly he meant. I got the impression that it was more than cosmetic wear, but I really can’t say for sure. I just know that he was not a fan of the M17 and M18 and had said on multiple occasions that he would never buy one for himself based upon what he saw in the USMC. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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During these tests, they modified a slide to allow the viewing of the safety lock. Only after experts viewed the test did they find that the removal of that material from the striker channel allowed the striker safety spring to move out of place. This did not happen to unmodified slides. | |||
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^^^ Nobody cares. The FBI report says the FBI couldn’t replicate the uncommanded firing without poking the sear with a stick and fucking up the part of the slide that holds that spring disabling striker safety block. People want clicks, so the story is “FBI says P320 bad” and away we go. | |||
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The only Striker fired gun I can generally carry appendix, without being too squeamish, is the Kahr K9. It’s only partially cocked. It has a pretty long trigger travel and, the striker is drawn back and the striker safety are controlled by a double lobed cam. If it breaks, the striker can’t be drawn back and, the safety can’t be pushed up. It’s an exceptional design. | |||
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Oh, there’s going to be a lot of them on the market! Chicago PD- we buy our own weapons from an “Approved List”. The Sig 320’s were on that list up until about 2 months ago. Then the notification came out around the same time saying “Sig P320’s are no longer approved.” I think the deadline is sometime this coming week. Meaning a whole bunch of cops have to go out and get another handgun and holster. Between the Sig and a holster, mag pouch… that’s what $800? $900? $1000? Now they get to shell out another $800? And Sig, nor the CPD is reimbursing them. There’s 8 or 9 in my office alone (out of 45), and they ain’t happy! What’s a gun store going to give them for a used P320? $250? ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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Sig should offer a voluntary buy back program. That would go a long way to making things right. Sig was offered to take part in the evaluation of the FBI evaluation. They choose not to and the only reason we know about this is a FOIA request. That’s pretty fucked up all the way around by Sig and the reported questionable ethics some Sig sales reps are now partaking in is just further proof of what a twisted mess Sig really is. Joe Back in Tx. | |||
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