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Originally posted by CPD SIG:


What’s a gun store going to give them for a used P320? $250?

Gen5 9mms are pulling that kind of money. I’d be surprised if trade in on the 320 in this market is half that.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
so does this reflect in the cost of used P320's on the market? Maybe a ton of leo trade in weapons?

Oh, there’s going to be a lot of them on the market!

Chicago PD- we buy our own weapons from an “Approved List”. The Sig 320’s were on that list up until about 2 months ago. Then the notification came out around the same time saying “Sig P320’s are no longer approved.” I think the deadline is sometime this coming week.

Meaning a whole bunch of cops have to go out and get another handgun and holster.
Between the Sig and a holster, mag pouch… that’s what $800? $900? $1000?

Now they get to shell out another $800? And Sig, nor the CPD is reimbursing them.
There’s 8 or 9 in my office alone (out of 45), and they ain’t happy!

What’s a gun store going to give them for a used P320? $250?

And would the LGS even be allowed to sell used / trade in 320’s? Sound like liability there as well if they do

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:


What’s a gun store going to give them for a used P320? $250?

Gen5 9mms are pulling that kind of money. I’d be surprised if trade in on the 320 in this market is half that.

I literally wouldn’t take a P320 if it was given to me for free. When I first shot the 320 I was issued, I was actually pretty pleased with how well it shot. As time went on, I was less and less impressed with it. I realized that while the trigger felt a little nicer, I really didn’t shoot it any better than any Glock I’ve ever owned or carried. I could never fall in love with the grip frame in stock form, frankly they always looked and felt cheap to me. I wouldn’t plan on any P320 having any real trade in value unless SIG offers some sort of buyback program.

My friends gunstore doesn’t really want to sell them now.
I bought my m17 there in February, unfired with 5 mags.
The guy who consigned it bought it in January then dumped it for half price.
I kinda wish I hadn’t bought it, just sits in the safe and I might never shoot it again. I took it out once.
Keeeping up with this thread is in my head now, and I’ve gravitated back to my USP and Glock guns.
I work part time in my friends gunshop and we have a lot of discussions about the 320. We’ve sold a lot of them and have never heard anything from a customer about any unintentional discharge.
But there’s a fear that somehow it could come back on the store if it happened.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
so does this reflect in the cost of used P320's on the market? Maybe a ton of leo trade in weapons?

Oh, there’s going to be a lot of them on the market!

Chicago PD- we buy our own weapons from an “Approved List”. The Sig 320’s were on that list up until about 2 months ago. Then the notification came out around the same time saying “Sig P320’s are no longer approved.” I think the deadline is sometime this coming week.

Meaning a whole bunch of cops have to go out and get another handgun and holster.
Between the Sig and a holster, mag pouch… that’s what $800? $900? $1000?

Now they get to shell out another $800? And Sig, nor the CPD is reimbursing them.
There’s 8 or 9 in my office alone (out of 45), and they ain’t happy!

What’s a gun store going to give them for a used P320? $250?

I was wondering if CPD and the FOP ever resolved that dispute. I take it that's a "no". That really sucks for those guys. In other news, how the hell in 2025 is CPD still making their cops buy their own guns?

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Sig should offer a voluntary buy back program. That would go a long way to making things right.

That would be cool. Or ramp up the P226/P229 production line, and offer trades for those. I'd be just fine with either of those solutions, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'd still be OK with a fix, if it was an honest and proven one. The only thing I don't like about my P320 is the nagging uncertainty that it might be unsafe. Mine has yet to give me any reason to actually distrust it, though.

I've grown into a P320 fanboy. I'm issued one and carry one at work. I keep one on my nightstand. I keep one in my get home bag in my truck.

Today, I put a Glock on my nightstand and a CZ P10-C in my get home bag. Retired the P320 to the back of the safe until the RECALL comes out.

I imagine I'll get some communication from work in the next few months that the P320's are getting traded for Glocks.

We're going to have to start a support group.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but all these uncommanded discharge incidents have occurred with the pistol in its holster or in the process of being holstered.

I that is so, the P320 would make a fine housegun. That is to say, if you have a P320, it's not inherently unsafe to use.

To put things in perspective, there are trainloads of P320s out there, but only a handful of reported incidents.


I asked Grok about this:

Q: What might the effect or phenomenon be called, of a handful of safety incidents with a product numbering, say, one million, the exact cause of which is unknown, and which causes many users of that product to want to abandon it, though it is overall a safe product to use?

A: The phenomenon you're describing could be referred to as "mass hysteria" or "panic amplification" in the context of product safety. More specifically, it might be classified as a "product safety scare" or "consumer panic response." These terms describe situations where a small number of incidents, often with unclear causes, lead to widespread fear, distrust, or rejection of a product despite its overall safety.This effect is often driven by:

Availability Heuristic: People overestimate the risk because vivid, widely publicized incidents (even if rare) dominate their perception.

Media Amplification: News outlets or social media exaggerate the incidents, increasing public fear.

Loss Aversion: Consumers prioritize avoiding potential harm over rational assessment of low risk.

Social Contagion: Fear spreads through social networks, leading to collective behavior like abandoning the product.

A related concept is the "nocebo effect", where negative expectations about a product lead to perceived harm or avoidance, even if the product is safe. In marketing or risk communication, this might also be studied under "risk perception" or "crisis communication failure", where poor messaging fails to reassure the public.

I’m in the same boat. I’m a 320 fan boy . I shoot lights out with that thing . It’s our issued duty weapon. We have thousands and thousands and thousands issued. It’s gonna be a huge undertaking. Dreading that process

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
I actually still very much prefer a hammer fired pistol, but in reality I think if you’re going striker fired, then Glock is the way to go. Yep, they sure aren’t perfect, but generally any duty type pistol has to make some compromises. I just think that Glock got it right with their design and if one desires a striker fired pistol then they’re still top dog.

My primary carry gun is still a G43, and some people think that is ridiculous. All of the striker fired handguns I own are Glocks, with the exception of just one, a Walther P99 AS, which is a very unique and IMO a very cool striker fired pistol.

Having never fired a P320, how’s the trigger compare to a VP9?

Curious from those that have tried or have both.

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Originally posted by cajunmuscle:
I’m in the same boat. I’m a 320 fan boy . I shoot lights out with that thing . It’s our issued duty weapon. We have thousands and thousands and thousands issued. It’s gonna be a huge undertaking. Dreading that process

I wouldn't call myself a fanboy, but I do like the gun. It has served me well as a duty platform, and I'm pretty heavily invested in them now personally as well, because it just makes sense to keep things consistent.

If we switched to Glocks tomorrow I'd be ok. It would take me a little practice to establish a new index, but I'd figure it out. In a week or two I'd be shooting it as well as I currently shoot my P320. The thing that would suck the most is the cost and time it would take to replace all the personal stuff that I've invested in over the years for the P320 platform. It would actually be cheaper for me to buy my own duty gun and go to a P226 if that happens, since I already have a solid lineup of DA/SA Sigs. Either way it's going to cost me a lot of money, and I'll be royally pissed at Sig if that happens and they don't come up with some kind of solution.

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A: The phenomenon you're describing could be referred to as "mass hysteria" or "panic amplification" in the context of product safety.

SIG is missing out on a marketing opportunity: The P320 Panic Amplifier Edition.

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Originally posted by Bongo:
Having never fired a P320, how’s the trigger compare to a VP9?

Curious from those that have tried or have both.

I’ve shot several of both and there is a lot of variability in both. I’ve had awesome triggers with both and decent with both. I would say overall they are comparable but the 320 is probably better feeling overall and some of the nicer variants are much better than the VP. Neither are bad triggers (I mean except for that whole shoots itself thing the SIGs have. ) for strikers by any means and neither are near as nice as the Walther offerings IMO.

Honestly besides Walther I think I like basic stock Glock triggers the best as far as striker fired guns go. I know that sounds weird since everybody bitches about stock Glock triggers and I’m not a Glock fanboy so to speak. It probably comes from a place of me being a DA/SA guy at heart so I tend to do better with mediocre triggers then really good ones. I dunno but your basic Glock trigger works for me on striker fired guns. The trigger on my CC9 is far nicer then the average Glock trigger but I still think I prefer the Glock trigger.

SIG has crossed the Rubicon with the P320 IMO. Whether it is inherently flawed or not perception is reality and agencies and individuals are going to snowball away from the platform. I honestly don’t know what I would do if I was SIG. If I release a fix or tabbed trigger etc. I am tacitly admitting I was lying all along. I almost think the only way out is to release a “new gun” the P330 or whatever and maybe offer it at a discount or something with a 320 trade. “Trade up to our newest model that is so much better because of…..whatever better barrel, new sight innovation, better magazines etc. something to make it seem like the new hotness and better then the gun before not because it’s a “fix” but because it’s just “better”.

SIGs in a tough spot with this one and us DA/SA guys are all kinda thinking “this is what we’ve been saying .

Not even a decent hair jelly can save them now.

I have two P320s. The X-Compact, now with a Wilson Combat grip shoots very straight. Been considering making it a full-time house gun. Sticky holster or the Galco for it. Should be just fine. But as many, I need a stiff drink (but medications say don't do that!) with the current state of affairs. Feel for the LE and military communities.

Watched part of the 45 minute video posted earlier; it appears that the M18 in question did not have the manual thumb safety. Or did I miss noting it?

Regarding P320 trade in values, I work in the industry and as of yesterday afternoon, of the three LE firearms distributors I spoke with, one was refusing to take P320's in trade and had removed them from their retail shelves, another had dropped their trade in value to $100.00 and advised they were going to cut up the FCU's. They had already also removed inventory on hand from retail shelves. The third one I spoke with had dropped trade in value to $150.00 if the pistol had an optic, and was only going to resell the pistol as sub components and require a written liability waiver.

It does not have a thumb safety. It does have a weapon mounted Surefire X300 Turbo and the required holster.

The report says the FBI whacked this particular holstered P320 50 times in each off 11 different locations (550 times total) with a dead blow mallet and could not get the striker to disengage the sear. The report says the FBI was unable to get the striker to disengage from the sear at any point during testing except when they manually depressed the sear with a punch. In other words, they had to poke it with a stick which is the only way anyone else has been able to do it on any P320 so far.

The damning part of the report is the FBI was able to disengage the striker safety block by manipulating the frame and slide to simulate force the firearm would be subject to while holster in an officers ordinary duties. There’s some question as to how the FBI’s cutting a hole in the slide to watch the safety spring allowed this to happen.

The report also states the MSP officer had keys in his hand when the incident occurred and his firearm had an abrasion on the trigger guard close to the trigger. The FBI was able to get this firearm to fire in its holster using two different keys and those actions left similar abrasions on the trigger guard in close proximity to the preexisting abrasions on the trigger guard. The report says prior to the incident, the MSP officer “conducted approximately three presentations drills from the holster to practice acquiring the red dot.” It also says this happened minutes before the gun fired.

My question is: How did the keys wind up in his hands? The FBI was able to get the holstered gun to fire using keys which left scrapes on the trigger guard similar to the scrape that was already on the trigger guard. Is it not possible the officer’s keys got stuck in the holster, he grabbed them, and the gun fired? There’s already another proven on video instance mentioned in this very thread where an officer’s keys dropped into another officer’s holster and that officer’s firearm fired when they both stood up. Hmm.

Hi, guys. I'm just getting back into the hobby after a long absence due to a really bad shoulder injury that means I wasn't able to shoot for a long time so I'm walking into this issue mid-debate. I have an old (pre-recall) P320. I contacted Grayguns about machining the FCU to accept a manual safety and they said they could do it. Based on all these reports, would that mitigate all or at least most of the risk? Have there been any reports of these incidents with guns that had a manual safety and the safety was in use at the time?

I don’t know all the details but there have been instances of M17 or 18s that have had uncommanded discharges in military use. So the safety may not matter. That said this is a pretty fluid situation with lots of it being conjecture so just do your own research.