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Oriental Redneck |
Have you looked at that adjustable SAO trigger complex? Not just the outside but also the inside. Compare it to the trigger on your Allround, which is just a regular trigger. Q | |||
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… In what way is a DA/SA less complicated than SAO? Member |
AHHHH… I thought you were referring to operation and thought??? My 1911s are SAO and they are not complicated to shoot. My skill set (for now) for troubleshooting and upgrade installation limits me to P series DA/SA. Have not ventured into the internal works of a SAO but now, my interest is piqued. Hello You Tube Dave _________________________ Those that say it can’t be done should not interrupt the people doing it!!! | |||
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Since technical part came up, does this one have a firing pin block? | |||
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| I swear I had something for this |
It’s just in regards to this SAO trigger. This is the only one that you can set trigger weight, over travel, and length of pull while every other trigger stays where it was installed.
It should. I’ve never seen a P226 that didn’t. | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
But even the SAO operation is inherently more complex, as it requires one more step (flipping off the safety) to get the gun to fire, no matter how easy it is for the trained shooter. There is no getting around that, unless you just carry cocked and unlocked, which is totally nut. Q | |||
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Baroque Bloke |
He probably means the L1 SAO models with adjustable trigger. However some X5 SAO guns, such as my P226 X5 Competition don’t have the complex user-adjustable trigger. Robert Burke adjusted the trigger of mine very nicely though. My X5 Comp also doesn’t have rails, skeletonizing, gold plating, or any other extraneous crap. Just elemental X5 goodness. Serious about crackers | |||
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Rebel Without a Clue |
Exactly!! Spot on, love it. | |||
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Member |
This problem is not new, I had that deal with 15 years ago when I first started shooting IDPA and lusted over an X5. The designers here just mimicked the design and features of the German X5, which was also overweight, and too long for an IDPA box, they just added the optics mount. These guns will sell as is, to people like me, that just like to shoot. This was the right approach. Sig loves having lots of SKUs, and I’m sure they’ll eventually introduce fifteen variations, one of them to scratch every itch. | |||
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Anybody know what the differences are between this new 226 X5 and the established 226 Legion SAO? Thx | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Besides the cosmetic differences, the XFives are all stainless steel, have 5-inch barrel and the fully adjustable trigger and the adjustable rear sight. Q | |||
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| I swear I had something for this |
It's also a bull barrel vs a standard barrel thickness. | |||
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Member |
I was able to shoot the Classic today during a trip to the Sig Experience Center. It was even better than expected. Seemed like it was impossible to miss. A couple of observations. The grips feel much thinner than the rosewood grips on my P226 Stainless Elite. The contours also feel different and fit my hand better. I have swapped out those grips for G10s but would not want to do that with the grips in the Classic. The range officer told me the grips on the STAS feel a little fatter. The trigger was very crisp and a light pull. The reset was very short. Recoil is negligible. I shot this back to back with my P229 Legion and the XFive was on another level. Compared to my P226 STE, it was like going from a Honda to a Porsche. Now I am trying to convince my wife that I have been a very good boy and this would be a great present. Now that Hallmark countdown to Christmas has started there shouldn’t need to be a wait until December. "You know, Scotland has its own martial arts. Yeah, it's called Fuck You. It's mostly just head butting and then kicking people when they're on the ground." - Charlie MacKenzie (Mike Myers in "So I Married an Axe Murderer") | |||
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Just got back from the range… results were with no adjustments made - Just as it came from the factory. I shot it and my X5 all around side-by-side along with my best 226 4.4. Exceptionally smooth trigger - Comparable to it’s German counterpart It’s personal preference but… not a fan of the front sight Will likely end up installing a red dot Accuracy may actually better than my all around (at least as good) 2008 X5 all around - Final shots on fresh target  2022 X5 - Final shots on fresh target  Verdict - sweet goodness right out of the box. Of course there are things I would have done differently but at the end of the day, this gun is awesome. Dave _________________________ Those that say it can’t be done should not interrupt the people doing it!!! | |||
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| Member |
Thank you Sir! Hard to believe there is something out there nicer than my Legion. Always something .... | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr.  |
Yes. The Allround trigger is exactly one piece. The SAO adjustable trigger is eleven pieces. | |||
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| Member |
Is the new US made X5 just a built up P226S with different aesthetics and maybe tighter tolerances or it’s made from the same mold and machinery that was used in Germany? I’m sure the blueprints and schematics can be used to recreate all the tooling here, but it seems SIG Sauer USA is about cost sharing and manufacturing efficiencies being able to reuse existing parts. Much like the P210A and the European versions, they look very similar on the outside, but internally is a completely different gun. If it’s a completely different gun then I don’t think the German X5 collectors have to worry about devaluation. | |||
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| Baroque Bloke |
Again… only the L1 versions of the German P226 X5s have the fully adjustable trigger. My German SAO P226 X5 Competition doesn’t. See my post above (on this page). Serious about crackers | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Man, this is twice in this thread you brought your Competition into the discussion, when NMDave and Benderx4 and I discussed the new US X5s. But, since you brought the German guns into this, let's discuss. The German Xguns, except for the DA/SA Allround and Gen1 Short, are SAO, and most of them SAO Xguns have the adjustable trigger. The ones with the non-adjustable trigger are in the minority (like your Competition, the Tactical and the Entry/Express). But the rest, like the L1, Short & Smart, Match, Supermatch, Skeleton, Black&White, Scandic, Emerald, Ruby, Facettes, Performance and many others, all have the fully adjustable trigger. Q | |||
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| Baroque Bloke |
Hm… I’ve long had high regard for your acumen. I thought that you believed that all German SAO X5s had a user-adjustable trigger. Clearly, I was wrong about that. My apologies. Serious about crackers | |||
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Member |
Crap, add another one to my list now... ...so many guns.... Regards, Waco Learning from my mistakes since 1974... | |||
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