I guess the Iranian leaders don't want to be alive any longer because Trump was crystal clear about their remaining purpose in life

Iranian citizens need to start taking control.
They had a chance during all the chaos.
They're starting to look like every other islamic controlled country.
No guts to remove them.

Would you go up against the IRGC unarmed?

Not much future in that unless you like hanging from a crane.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Iranian citizens need to start taking control.

Trump told then to stay hunkered down. I expect he will let them know when it is time.

Wow! IRGC openly defying its politicians on air.

https://x.com/_A_khalifa/statu...559456751382828?s=20

Why don't we airdrop say suppressed break open suppressed rifles?

Cheap, say a 38 special or 45 LC?

I think those and some starlink terminals could do the job, in Cuba.

We need a way for Persians to feel they're freeing themselves.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Iranian citizens need to start taking control.
They had a chance during all the chaos.
They're starting to look like every other islamic controlled country.
No guts to remove them.

No guts or no power?

It’s not like there’s an armed populace there. And it’s that way by design. Most places in the world don’t have a cool thing like the 2nd Amendment in order to protect themselves against shit like tyranny and evil. It’s not like they have free elections. You’re the King because daddy was the King, and your son is going to be the King because you were.

Outside of 1979 Iran, when was the last time there was an armed revolt in an Arab Nation?
You keep your populous uneducated and unarmed, and in fear, you get to control a lot of things.

They still have a chance, because that fight ain’t over yet, and who only knows what’s going on behind the scenes!

Revolutions have to be done right, and the timing is important!
Too early, and too weak, not enough support, and they get run over like a possum in the road.

It’s also hard (as in extremely hard) to put people in the right places over there.
Police
Secret Police
Intelligence Agencies
Military
Spies

Then all of those people are able to use violence and power against the people to gain information.

Read up on Sadam Hussains Iraq and his police, secret police, intelligence agencies…. and how they operated. That stuff goes on all over the Mid-East and Northern Africa.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

Everything CPD SIG said, and on top of that if you fail and get caught, they rape your wife and kids in front of you, rip your fingernails out, tie you to a wall upside down and smack your genitals with a rubber hose until they finally hang you from a crane.

I can't blame these people for not wanting to risk that. Especially when they've seen it happen to thousands of others in recent months.

Living under a totalitarian regime is very shitty, but sometimes it's better than the alternative, especially when you have a family to think about.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
Why don't we airdrop say suppressed break open suppressed rifles?

Cheap, say a 38 special or 45 LC?

Rifles are too big and fragile. Something small and simple like this:



Use that and up arm with that AK from the dead IRGC he just shot.

^^^^^^^^^
Too ineffective.

As to open revolt, don't forget this is a government that killed nearly as many of their citizens over a weekend as we lost during the whole Viet Nam war.

You got the guts to stand up to them with a pointed stick?

Just keep in mind that those same maniacs are at work here as well, and quickly disarming the citizens, state-by-state, city-by-city, without any notable resistance from our Republican politicians.

*edited to clarify that the Republicans are not standing up for us...

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Iranian citizens need to start taking control.

The ones who were so inclined have mostly been killed already.

I have also heard there are quite a few citizens who support their radical government because they also hate the west, hate Israel, hate the USA, and lots of others who are not like them. An earlier post I made I quoted that I heard 90% of the population does not like the government, but now I'm not so sure what the true figures are, or to what degree they hate/disapprove etc. their government. Not sure why that level of information is hard to come by, but it doesn't surprise me, since the most critical and important information on all sorts of things are on a need to know basis for lack of a better term.

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Originally posted by wrightd:
I have also heard there are quite a few citizens who support their radical government because they also hate the west, hate Israel, hate the USA, and lots of others who are not like them.

Shouldn't be any surprise. Not to me, at least. Just look at the situation right here at home. Half of the people hate Trump, are lefties and want nothing more than destroying the founding principles of the country.

I know of no reason why we should believe that the average Iranian is going to be our friend—and especially not Israel’s friend—after the war is more or less over. The effects of forty years of propaganda and religious indoctrination don’t disappear overnight, especially when that length of time probably represents the entire adult life of most of the people there.

Despite how bad things may be, many people never get over believing what they were told for decades. That was often remarked about people in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, and I personally heard an older German mutter “Jawohl, mein Führer,”* under her breath nearly 40 years after the end of the war. She also had an old photograph of a young man in German army uniform in her home, and I strongly suspect it was a loved one who was killed during the conflict. Germans suffered greatly during the war, but that did not necessarily change their minds about their loyalty to the regime or the rightness of its actions.

* “Yes, my leader” [i.e., Hitler].

I saw where they fired on an Indian vessel.
I assume it was with drones?

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
I saw where they fired on an Indian vessel.
I assume it was with drones?

Speed boats. Part of IRGC's swarm strategy.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
I saw where they fired on an Indian vessel.
I assume it was with drones?

Speed boats. Part of IRGC's swarm strategy.

Why are they not flaming oil slicks?

They hide them on shoreline in caves. Be pretty difficult to take them out if you only had minutes to find and target.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I know of no reason why we should believe that the average Iranian is going to be our friend—and especially not Israel’s friend—after the war is more or less over. The effects of forty years of propaganda and religious indoctrination don’t disappear overnight, especially when that length of time probably represents the entire adult life of most of the people there.

Despite how bad things may be, many people never get over believing what they were told for decades. That was often remarked about people in Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, and I personally heard an older German mutter “Jawohl, mein Führer,”* under her breath nearly 40 years after the end of the war. She also had an old photograph of a young man in German army uniform in her home, and I strongly suspect it was a loved one who was killed during the conflict. Germans suffered greatly during the war, but that did not necessarily change their minds about their loyalty to the regime or the rightness of its actions.

I saw a documentary a few days ago about a group of German nurses that were taken prisoner by the Canadians just before the end of the war. They were relocated to Alberta and wound up staying there for a couple of years before they were repatriated. Before and during the war they had been constantly fed the German propaganda that the Allies were animals and would torture, rape and kill them. But during their stay in Canada they were treated fairly and respectfully, even offered the opportunity to work in a local hospital alongside the Canadian staff. Some of them saw the truth during their time working in hospitals and other places. Others never did get past the propaganda and still held loyalty to the Reich decades later, some for the rest of their lives.