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| half-genius, half-wit |
I take the view that he successfully defended his family, his home and probably his life with the controlled application of accurate and lethally-directed fire from a legally-owned firearm against a bunch of people especially dressed up and intent on doing bad things. The dead wasted their lives by making bad decisions - the last of which earned them paid-up membership in perpetuity of the order of the zip-up all-in-one rubber suit. A good shoot, definitely one for the books. tac | |||
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| Freethinker |
Okay, that was my thought too. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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| No double standards |
I guess I have different thoughts. Her being pint sized is not her doing, I doubt it was her choice. And she is a person, a human being, not a wad of nothingness. Admittedly she made poor choices and will have to suffer the consequences of such. But her life ahead may not be any worse than the life she was living. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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would be nice to send the kid $1,500.00 for his trouble. I'd like to know how many shots he fired , I wonder if the house across the alley took any hits. Mas Ayoob will need to cover this and report all the incidentals, thats going to be a great read Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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| No double standards |
I think that is quite well stated. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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Hmmmm.... Confrontation in a hallway. Narrow area. I wonder if some of the hits weren't through and through. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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"Delta ninja SEAL Spetsnaz SAS loadmaster with Terminator innards" ? Nice. I actually know a guy like that. Nicest fellow you could ever meet, but I feel sorry for anyone who tried to hurt him or his family. And he's killed a lot of bad guys in combat, and he doesn't feel bad about it. He told me once, "they were the bad guys". Seems pretty simple for me. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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The Judge might let her out the back door, like a Judge actually did recently. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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| Mired in the Fog of Lucidity |
I didn't mean to make her size any kind of issue. Clearly it just is what it is and I was just making an off-hand observation. My comment on her nothingness had to do with her choices and actions. She and her cohorts chose to boldly invade a private residence for the express purpose of stealing the owner's possessions, perhaps violently if necessary. In this context these people can be defined by their actions, which bring nothing of value to society or to their fellow human beings. Quite the opposite. She may be a wonderful human to her family or her friends, but that is a different, unrelated context than the one at hand. | |||
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Should make sweetie pie driver get out there and scrub the kitchen and driveway, then plant her ass in jail. __________________________ But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams. | |||
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| Freethinker |
I would be surprised if much happens to her despite the seriousness of the charges. Not everyone believes in the fairness or validity of the felony murder rule, and especially in a case like this when the driver is probably saying something like, “Oh, my god; I never expected anything like this to happen.” I read a criticism of the principle in a law school textbook 45 years ago. Lawyers go on and on about the offender’s intent—until a case like this happens in which they have to fall back to, “There was an evil intent to do a crime,” and ignore the usual meaning of the word that refers to the specifics of the incident. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
I wonder about their citizenship status ... Also, I'm not a terminal ballistics expert, but I've heard that 1: 5.56 designed properly fragment upon entry into a critter, so over penetration (in a body) may not be as large a concern as other calibers, and 2: any hit (not COM) with a 5.56 at velocity is fairly bad deal, i.e. potentially lethal/bleed out/high-trauma hence the BG in the driveway. Lastly, I'm in agreement the hypothesis put forth by sigfreund on the psychology of these things. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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I wonder when they're going to release the names of the bad guys, or if they will. | |||
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| Non-Miscreant |
I wonder if they even know the names of the poor, misunderstood deceased. I'd guess the girl knows, but she may not be telling, or worse, has had an attorney appointed who advises against any statement. I'm not familiar with OK traditions so I can't guess what kind of treatment she'll receive by the prosecutor and courts. They may show her some sympathy and particularly because she turned herself in. Some places show little mercy. There was the girl in Colorado who with her boyfriend committed some crime. But she was quickly caught and in custody. When they attempted to arrest the boyfriend, he managed to kill one of the officers. They prosecuted her for felony murder and away she went. After about 10 years others took up her cause and she was released. I recall the argument being that while she was a participant in the crime, she was already in custody when the killing took place. So I feel sorry for the girl. Not sorry enough to suggest she doesn't deserve punishment, but maybe not life in prison. Maybe she should just scrub floors and driveways for a few years or so. Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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I was wondering the same thing. Certainly could be the case. ----------------------- Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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| Nature is full of magnificent creatures |
He keeps that on his ship. He doesn't need the beltfed in Park City.  | |||
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You must be talking about Lisl Auman and her involvement in the murder of Denver Police Officer Bruce Vanderjagt, by Matthaeus Jaehnig. Loyalty Above All Else, Except Honor ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Freethinker |
That’s a good point, but because of the outrage and pressure over the case and the fact that she was ultimately released rather than spending life in prison without parole tends to demonstrate how controversial (i.e., not universally accepted) the law is. That case even involved the murder of a law enforcement officer which normally would work against the defendant. If she knew the killer was armed with a gun (I couldn’t determine), that would be another significant factor that this case didn’t have. It’s not my decision and all we can do is speculate at this point, but if we’re going to do that, I’ll guess that she doesn’t get slammed as hard as she could. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Some people ruin their lives by being stupid. Others end their lives by being stupid. Here, we get both. It appears the driver was also the planner, HR department, and transportation coordinator for this felony fiasco. She is getting charged with felony murder x 3. It wasn't said if the State planned to seek the death penalty in this case (though it would be hard to have stand, seeing as how she didn't personally shoot the deceased, deceaseds, or deceasedi (I can't figure out the plural of deceased)).
Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Brave and loyal felon until the shooting starts, then it's time to scurry away like a rat. As for the guy who died in the driveway, the last thing he saw as his life ebbed away was her taillights receding into the distance. ... stirred anti-clockwise. | |||
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