Excellent article about Trump.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/73814

Could this be the Trump implosion? It's starting to blow up now, will be in headlines soon.

http://www.politico.com/story/...captured-120317.html

Trump attacks McCain: 'I like people who weren't captured'

Donald Trump might finally have crossed the line.

Appearing on Saturday at the Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa, the real estate mogul took his running feud with Arizona Sen. John McCain to a new level.

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

The remarks, which came after days of back-and-forth between McCain and Trump, were met with scattered boos.

McCain, a former Navy pilot, spent roughly five-and-half years in a notorious North Vietnamese prison known as the “Hanoi Hilton,” where he was repeatedly tortured. He spent two of those years in solitary confinement.

At a press availability following his remarks, Trump denied saying that McCain isn’t a war hero and said, “If somebody’s a prisoner, I consider them a war hero.”

He also continued his attacks on the Arizona senator, saying, “I think John McCain’s done very little for the veterans. I’m very disappointed in John McCain.”

Trump received four student deferments from military service between 1964 and 1968. In Ames, he told reporters another medical deferment he received after graduating was for a bone spur in his foot. When asked which foot, Trump told reporters to look up the records.
Republicans quickly distanced themselves from Trump’s remarks — though not all of them condemned them directly.

“Advice to @realDonaldTrump: Apologize for this pronto. Otherwise beginning of end,” Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, who is close to McCain, tweeted.

“John McCain is an American hero. I have nothing but respect for his service to our country,” tweeted Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal. “After Donald Trump spends six years in a POW camp, he can weigh in on John McCain’s service,” he added in a second tweet.
”.@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero & all POW’s deserve our nation’s highest debt of gratitude. @realDonaldTrump’s comments are disgraceful,” tweeted former Texas Gov. Rick Perry.

“As a fellow veteran I respect @SenJohnMcCain because he volunteered to serve his country. I cannot say the same about Mr. @realDonaldTrump,” Perry added.

At a campaign event in Sioux City, Iowa, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker called McCain “an American hero.” At a press gaggle afterwards, he said of Trump, “I unequivocally denounce him.”

Rick Santorum defended McCain while declining to condemn Trump, tweeting, “.@SenJohnMcCain is an American hero, period.”

That's indefensible to say about POWs (real ones like McCain not deserters like Berghdal).

Former hero is a good description of McCain. McCain was a hero from 1958 until the mid-80s when he chose to sully his previously good name as part of the Keating 5 and the numerous times he's sold out his country since for his own gain.

That's a mistake by Trump, not because of attacking McCain, which doesn't bother me but in inferring that McCain was captured.

Well, he was, I guess, but after he had been shot out of the sky inside NV where hope of rescue was virtually nil. Not exactly a situation where avoiding capture is likely, without extraordinary luck.

George HW Bush was shot down in WWII, but had the extraordinary good fortune to be picked up by a US submarine pretty soon. It could have been a Japanese sub, I guess.

We attack McCain here often, not because of being captured but some of his positions not supporting issues we are interested in.

Trump has done himself in. I think McCain sucks as a US Senator, but his heroism as a Vietnam POW is beyond reproach. This was a man who was tortured unmercifully and could have been released early, yet told the NVA to shove it. I have the utmost respect for him as a war hero. Trump is a royal douche bag for what he said.

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This was a man who was tortured unmercifully and could have been released early, yet told the NVA to shove it. I have the utmost respect for him as a war hero.

I'm not military, but I read a post on another site from someone who is military and said that the UCMJ forbids an officer from negotiating his own release if it does not include the other prisoners.

McCain crashed a total of 5 airplanes, counting the last one. Two or three, I believe, were ruled pilot error.

Apart from all that--the details of which I am not certain about-- I am certain of this: as a senator he has been a total disgrace.

^^^^You are right - a US POW cannot accept special favors. North Vietnam, knowing that his father was an admiral, offered him release before others that had been there longer for propaganda reasons. Even so, although McCain knew he could not accept an early release, after what he went through I would imagine it would be tempting for anybody to accept and just deal with any potential fallout later.

Hey, I agree that as a Senator he has sucked, especially in the past 15 years or so. Charlie Rangel also sucked as a Congressman, but his war record is outstanding, and I would be ticked if anybody disparaged that, too.

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Originally posted by justjoe:

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This was a man who was tortured unmercifully and could have been released early, yet told the NVA to shove it. I have the utmost respect for him as a war hero.

I'm not military, but I read a post on another site from someone who is military and said that the UCMJ forbids an officer from negotiating his own release if it does not include the other prisoners.

McCain crashed a total of 5 airplanes, counting the last one. Two or three, I believe, were ruled pilot error.

Apart from all that--the details of which I am not certain about-- I am certain of this: as a senator he has been a total disgrace.

I don't know about the crashes, but he didn't "negotiate his own release." As the son of the then U.S. Pacific Commnder, ADM McCain, he was offered a release by the NV, which he courageously, and properly, rejected. It would have been a propaganda victory and shameful in the extreme. His dad, and his granddad, also a U.S. Navy Admiral, would have been ashamed of him.

You never get anywhere attacking someone who has served honorably and courageously in those conditions and Trump should have known that. His big mouth is a liability, as a candidate and as a President, although because of it, he is likely never to have us need to worry about it.

So, has anybody seen the video of Trump making these highly offensive comments, or are we just deciding that he's done with because of what we read in the story?

Because it's not like Trump has never been taken out of context or anything......

Yup, Trump just stepped in a big pile of shit. That stink ain't going away any time soon.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
So, has anybody seen the video of Trump making these highly offensive comments, or are we just deciding that he's done with because of what we read in the story?

Because it's not like Trump has never been taken out of context or anything......

I heard/saw it. It was exactly as has been reported

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I heard/saw it. It was exactly as has been reported

So did I, and I don't think he said anything offensive or untrue. As opposed to what McCain said, which was offensive and untrue.

The Donald is The Donald but to say what he did about McCain is just a little over the top. It's not like he wanted to be shot down, captured and tortured. Senator McCain is a War hero as he endured much more then most that have gone into combat. Plus from all accounts he never gave in to the enemy, that's a hero with balls. Donald you may be Fired over this one. Chris

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
So, has anybody seen the video of Trump making these highly offensive comments, or are we just deciding that he's done with because of what we read in the story?

Because it's not like Trump has never been taken out of context or anything......

I'm having a hard time posting the YouTube from Karmanator, but here is the link:


Link for Iphone folks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Hoot3-USo&sns=em

I don't care what he said about McCain. John McCain has been wrong on about every issue for as long as I've been following politics.

I'm sick of him. He's been nothing but terrible as a politician.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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I heard/saw it. It was exactly as has been reported

So did I, and I don't think he said anything offensive or untrue. As opposed to what McCain said, which was offensive and untrue.

He got ahead of himself is what he did. And I think he realized it the very second after he said it. I wasn't offended at all that he said McCain isn't a war hero, and people in the crowd didn't seem to react at all to that comment either, but when he said he "likes people who weren't captured," he struck a nerve. He was going a bit too fast there and hopped right over that little speed bump between his brain and his mouth.

The MSM, the Democrats and the Republicans have been panting, salivating, waiting for Trump to say something they can repeat on a loop and tell us how shocked and upset they are. The MSM that ridiculed McCain as a washed up old has been when he became the R candidate, will now be on the verge of tears that he was so cruelly insulted.

Whatever respect McCain earned for his courage and patriotism as a POW, he squandered as the King RINO of all RINOs for decades in the Senate. He has been an energetic supporter and enabler of the most damaging president in American history.

But it was dumb for Trump to play right into their hands. And it is dumb for all the Republicans who play right into the hands of the MSM, as they are all doing-- except Ted Cruz.

From a Huffpost article about Trump's remarks:

"I recognize that folks in the press love to see Republican on Republican violence. And so you want me to say something bad about Donald Trump or bad about John McCain or bad about anyone else. I'm not gonna do it," Cruz told reporters. "John McCain is a friend of mine, I respect and admire him, he's an American hero. And Donald Trump is a friend of mine."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...ff1e4b0caf721b2feb7?

God bless Ted Cruz.

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Originally posted by Chris Anchor:
The Donald is The Donald but to say what he did about McCain is just a little over the top. It's not like he wanted to be shot down, captured and tortured. Senator McCain is a War hero as he endured much more then most that have gone into combat. Plus from all accounts he never gave in to the enemy, that's a hero with balls. Donald you may be Fired over this one. Chris

I do think McCain deserves some humility and appreciation for his service and what he endure.
Does that make him a "hero"? Perhaps.

I think Trump has a bit of the Patton bulldog mentality.
"Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
You won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

No, getting captured isn't heroic.
Not giving in to torture might be.

Better, not to go there Donald.

McCain was a hero until the day he became a politician

with the damage he has inflicted on this country because of his apparent love for Democrats on everything I wouldn't stop to give him water if he were dying of thirst

he made his bed and he can suffocate in it

"You have nothing to fear from a President Obama."
--John McCain

(I'm supposed to be upset that Trump insulted him?)