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(Yes, "Kunstler" is a real name! Make up your own jokes. )

You've never heard of William Kunstler? Lucky man. From James Howard's nonsense, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the two turned out to be related.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Smells like desperation.

Don't it just make your heart feel warm and fuzzy!

It's startling, quite frankly. The arguments against Trump are as weak as those for Hillary. It's really startling to read some statement of a Trump detractor, or a Hillsry defender. I read through some of these things they say, and the comments seem absent any logic at all. These comments seems to be the kinds of things I would expect from adolescents, and their desperation to build up Hillary and tear down Trump is palpable.
People with the truth on their side don't need to make irrational, puerile claims.

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Originally posted by nighthawk:
... Jebs dynamic and exciting personality ...

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

I saw a dead armadillo on the road this morning, I think I saw a Jeb! bumper sticker on it.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...rs-more-than-700000/

For every illegal migrant household that leaves the United States under Trump’s plan, Americans would recoup nearly three-quarters of a million dollars ($719,350), according to 2010 data collected by Heritage scholar Robert Rector.

But business interests want the migrants to stay. That’s because migrants help lower the cost of Americans’ wages, but also because the migrants spend their wages — plus taxpayer aid — at retail stories and rental agencies.

For example, the American Action Forum (AAF), a business-backed pro-amnesty group, claims that legal costs and forced migration would spike the cost of Trump’s plan up to $300 billion to arrest and remove all illegal immigrants living in the United States. The AAF was founded by Fred Malek, who co-founded and chairs a hospitality investment company whose hotels employ many low skilled migrants.

In reality, “a modest increase in enforcement (such as E-verify or visa tracking) would cause significant attrition in the illegal population– sending millions of illegals home on their own at no cost to the U.S. taxpayer.” said Jessica Vaughan, policy director at the non-partisan Center for Immigration Studies.

“Arizona’s population of unauthorized immigrants of working age fell by about 17 percent” in the course of a single year, after the state began to enforce E-verify, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

Illegal migrants cost U.S. taxpayers a net total of nearly $100 billion annually, concluded a 2010 investigation by the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

The 2010 report calculated the total contributions (mainly taxes) generated by the illegal migrants, and then subtracted the cost of taxpayer aid to those migrants. The aid includes education, subsidized housing, food stamps, tax credits, medical expenses.

Overall, the report found illegal migrants cost taxpayers a total of $113 billion a year. The report then “accounts for taxes paid by illegal aliens [which is] about $13 billion a year, resulting in a net cost to taxpayers of about $100 billion.”

The fact that this is being discussed on the public stage at all is due solely to Donald Trump. You can feel however you want about the guy, but I believe that Donald Trump has done a favor for all of us. It doesn't matter if you think his motives are entirely self-serving, because no matter why Trump has entered the race, he has people talking about things that we would otherwise not be talking about. It may sound trite, but he is shaping the dialogue. Who can argue with this?

Stump For Trump, these women are great. Watch the vid.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...te-for-donald-trump/

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For every illegal migrant household that leaves the United States under Trump’s plan, Americans would recoup nearly three-quarters of a million dollars ($719,350), according to 2010 data collected by Heritage scholar Robert Rector.

We'll know we've hit the "rock and roll" setting when numbers like these start leaking into the MSM. If Trump can pull that off, he'll have done a public service just by that alone. Here's hoping he does and that the numbers hold up solidly when the MSM starts hysterically trying to debunk them.

This may be worthy of a thread of it's own...Jeb says he wasn't talking about Hispanics when he was talking about anchor babies...

No, the real scourge facing America is those dirty, nasty Asians abusing the system!

Apparently he said this with a straight face. Unbelievable.

http://news.yahoo.com/jeb-bush...BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

Jeb Bush: Asians abusing US birthright citizenship

Washington (AFP) - Republican White House hopeful Jeb Bush on Monday accused Asians of abusing rules allowing infants born in the United States to be American citizens, amid a campaign row over immigration.

Bush has clashed with rivals -- including the Republican presidential frontrunner billionaire Donald Trump and top Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton -- over use of the term "anchor babies," a derogatory description of children born in the United States to undocumented parents.

Migrants' rights activists see the term as a slur used by anti-immigration campaigners to describe the babies of those who sneak across the border to give birth, gifting their offspring US citizenship and enhancing the parents' legal status.

But on Monday during a visit to Texas near the US border with Mexico, when responding to a question about whether the "anchor baby" row would hurt his ability to win the Hispanic vote, Bush said the situation has more to do with other immigrants.

"What I was talking about was the specific case of fraud being committed where there's organized efforts -- and frankly it's more related to Asian people coming into our country, having children in that organized effort, taking advantage of a noble concept with birthright citizenship," Bush said.

"My background, my life, the fact that I'm immersed in the immigrant experience -- this is ludicrous for the Clinton campaign and others to suggest that somehow I'm using a derogatory term.

"I support the 14th Amendment," he said of the constitutional guarantee of citizenship to anyone born in the country.

Trump has called for possibly scrapping the law, saying birthright citizenship boosts illegal immigration. On Friday, he claimed 300,000 babies were born last year in the United States from undocumented immigrants.

That is lower than the 340,000 babies born in 2008 to unauthorized immigrant parents -- about eight percent of all babies born that year -- according to a 2010 study by Pew Research Center.

The organization also said Asians made up the largest share of recent immigrants at 36 percent of the total, surpassing the 31 percent who were of Hispanic origin.

Last March, US investigators raided dozens of Los Angeles locations suspected of offering "maternity tourism" services for pregnant Chinese women wanting to gain US citizenship for their children.

Some mothers were paying over $50,000 for packages designed to allow them to give birth in the United States, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency said.

Last week Bush sparked criticism when he told a conservative radio show that the United States needs "better enforcement so that you don't have these, you know, 'anchor babies,' as they're described, coming into the country."

"They're called babies," Clinton said on Twitter.

Does it always take Jeb two pressers to get what he really meant out there? Sure seems like it.

Next week, he starts going after the filthy Dutch.

http://www.nationalreview.com/...mic-costs-incentives

According to Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) legal policy analyst Jon Feere, who testified before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security in April, between 350,000 and 400,000 children are born annually to an illegal-alien mother residing in the United States — as many as one in ten births nationwide.

As of 2010, four out of five children of illegal aliens residing in the U.S. were born here — some 4 million kids.

According to CIS, 71 percent of illegal-alien headed households with children received some sort of welfare in 2009, compared with 39 percent of native-headed houses with children.

Illegal immigrants generally access welfare programs through their U.S.-born children, to whom government assistance is guaranteed. Additionally, U.S.-born children of illegal aliens are entitled to American public schools, health care, and more, even though illegal-alien households rarely pay taxes.

The short-term cost of “anchor babies” was revealed a decade ago in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. “‘Anchor babies’ born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income,”

U.S.-born children of illegal aliens can sponsor the immigration of family members once they come of age. At 18, an “anchor baby” can sponsor an overseas spouse and unmarried children of his own; at 21, he can sponsor parents and siblings.

There may be a long waiting period before that legal benefit is of use. But it’s a fact that illegal aliens with American-born children are much less likely to be deported, and that policy has been effectively enshrined in law with President Obama’s Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) policy, which would effectively grant amnesty to some 5 million illegal aliens, on top of the 2 to 3 million granted amnesty under his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy.

But “anchor babies” are a largely preventable phenomenon, mainly by simply enforcing current immigration laws.

Stopping illegal immigration at the border, and instituting an actually effective visa-tracking system to crack down on overstays, would do much to discourage efforts to take advantage of American largesse.

Trump is hinting about what his direction might be on taxes....a little bit anyway. I'm anxious to hear more...

http://video.foxnews.com/v/444...hpvid1#sp=show-clips

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Next week, he starts going after the filthy Dutch.

You are just too much.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Smells like desperation.

I'm having FUN watching the dems and the old guard republicans squirm. Be afraid ,Hillary, be VERY afraid!

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
Does it always take Jeb two pressers to get what he really meant out there? Sure seems like it.

For example:

"Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush has ignited a firestorm once again -- saying his use of the controversial term "anchor babies" is "more related to Asian people."


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...ns/story?id=33292461

Sorry, I know this is Trump thread.

Jeb is a liar....

Jeb... listen to your mother... Don't run!

Jeb is not really the sharpest spoon in the drawer,and Rove and the boys aren't really helping him that much.They are still scratching their heads on why Trump is not spiraling down in flames. Lately it seems Trump says something, and Jeb a short time later goes yeah, me too. Not really a stand out leader to say the least.

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Originally posted by Jimineer:

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
Does it always take Jeb two pressers to get what he really meant out there? Sure seems like it.

For example:

"Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush has ignited a firestorm once again -- saying his use of the controversial term "anchor babies" is "more related to Asian people."


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...ns/story?id=33292461

Sorry, I know this is Trump thread.

How many Asians do you see living on welfare and being lazy pieces of shit? None, you see them in laundry mats, nail salons, restaurants, businesses, ect. It is in their culture to be a productive part of society regardless of their position/wealth. Unfortunately, the culture is different for Central and South America.