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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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Yes they are, the will of the people is being heard loud and clear.

Hillary Clinton: 9,350,572
Donald Trump: 8,197,535
Bernie Sanders: 6,946,913
Ted Cruz: 6,263,349

37,164,358 Americans have spoken (so far). You're saying that Cruz is the "will of the people". I think you and his dad are smoking the same stuff.

I've been thinking about this some. There are some factors that could affect the outcome that aren't taken into account by just these numbers:

- Party turnout. How many total votes have been cast for Republicans and how many for Democrats? Republicans so far have received 22,234,790, and Democrats have received 16,297,485. This will change, because many of the states in the Northeast, plus California, haven't yet voted.

- Candidate negatives. Both Trump and Clinton have YUGE negatives when it comes to polling.

- Media backlash. Everyone knows that the media is in the tank for the Democrats, but this is a year when people are very angry at the media. Will that have an effect?

- October surprises. It happens every election cycle.

- Debates. Like them or hate them, they give many voters an impression of a candidate that they wouldn't normally be exposed to.

- Other unknown events. In 2008, it was the housing crisis, where both Bush and McCain did exactly the wrong things, and contributed to McCain's loss. In 2012, it was Benghazi, which Mitt Romney didn't use to his advantage and cost him the election.

It remains to be seen who is the "will of the people", but it is far from being yet decided.

I have never understood the logic and thought process of people that are so FOR a specific conservative candidate that they refuse to vote for anyone else in the general (or worse actually vote contrarian) as a "punishment" and/or to get back at other conservatives for not voting their way. This is just losing sight of the big picture within a bigger picture which is ultimately the direction of our country. Democrats rarely do this on party support which is why they win when the Republicans do not unify and waver, even though the moderate Democrats CAN be motivated to vote Republican under certain conditions (Reagan Democrats) as a more reasonable compromise to their overall less that desirable candidate.

Let me state it clearly...

A Republican win in November is a REQUIREMENT to turn the country around and to make certain the Supreme Court remains conservative leaning for the next generation. Period. This is not a time to cut off your nose to spite your face, write in your dog, not vote, vote for Hillary or Bernie, and / or throw a tantrum because your "idealocrat" did not get the nomination. The political scales are WAY out of balance and if it is not corrected, the scale will topple!

[Not an endorsement for Kasich - Example Only!] I know most people would only vote for a Kasich ticket with multiple clothes pins attached to their nose (myself included) but WE....MUST....WIN....IN....NOVEMBER!

In summation...if Trump gets the nomination, we ALL vote Trump, if Cruz gets the nomination, we ALL vote Cruz, if Kasich gets the nomination there will be hell to pay for the Republican party leadership and the organization as a whole after the election, but we must ALL vote for Kasich. Anyone other than those three and....well....the Republican party will be no more, the Democrats will win, the country will have truly lost its conservative way, and we may end up in even more of a citizen-centric divide and conflict in the coming years, in a way many people probably can't begin to imagine. I would expect all kinds of domestic unrest and civil disobedience that would not be pretty on a variety of matters, and an even worsening of race and gender relations, not to mention a number of controversial Supreme Court decisions that would just add fuel to the fire.

Yes folks, I truly believe it is just....that....SERIOUS!

Let's all just stay motivated to vote, continue to work our respective preferences DURING THE NOMINATION PROCESS ONLY, and come November, come together and put the country back on track with a CONSERVATIVE WIN!

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Whoa! I just dropped in to check on Trump, and I see there's a lot of John "Jesus loves Obamacare" Kaisch love in the air.

I'd better leave and wait until the smoke clears a bit.

Just to clarify...my prior post was not an endorsement of Kasich only using him to make my point.

Well, look, I used to say that I'd vote for whoever the nominee is, including Trump. But at this point in time, I find him so odious and objectionable, that I just can't imagine doing it. Now, it's a long way until the fall and anything can happen, so I could change my mind, of course.

In the meantime, take heart, WA is not going to go for the Republican anyway. So, my vote for Gary Johnson would be a vote of conscience in that I simply can't support Trump or Clinton.

And I never said I'm all for the party, I'm merely pointing out that this is how it works and all these complaints about the system are sort of whining. If the party nominates someone that I don't think I can vote for, I won't vote for him. It's not a protest vote, it's simply a decision that I can't vote for the man under any circumstances.

As for Kasich, I know there are concerns about the 2A with him, but a Kasich win would mean a strong Republican Congress into the foreseeable future. I'm not confident that Trump would have such coattails. And with a strong R Congress, the 2A would be plenty safe.

I also don't see Kasich as anti-2A. The AWB, BTW, was like over 20 years ago, right? And pre-Heller and all that. So, I'm not really worried about it. I trust that we'd hold their feet to the fire and win the fight, unless it's all controlled by D's.

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Originally posted by AUTiger89:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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Yes they are, the will of the people is being heard loud and clear.

Hillary Clinton: 9,350,572
Donald Trump: 8,197,535
Bernie Sanders: 6,946,913
Ted Cruz: 6,263,349

37,164,358 Americans have spoken (so far). You're saying that Cruz is the "will of the people". I think you and his dad are smoking the same stuff.

I've been thinking about this some. There are some factors that could affect the outcome that aren't taken into account by just these numbers:

- Party turnout. How many total votes have been cast for Republicans and how many for Democrats? Republicans so far have received 22,234,790, and Democrats have received 16,297,485. This will change, because many of the states in the Northeast, plus California, haven't yet voted.

- Candidate negatives. Both Trump and Clinton have YUGE negatives when it comes to polling.

- Media backlash. Everyone knows that the media is in the tank for the Democrats, but this is a year when people are very angry at the media. Will that have an effect?

- October surprises. It happens every election cycle.

- Debates. Like them or hate them, they give many voters an impression of a candidate that they wouldn't normally be exposed to.

- Other unknown events. In 2008, it was the housing crisis, where both Bush and McCain did exactly the wrong things, and contributed to McCain's loss. In 2012, it was Benghazi, which Mitt Romney didn't use to his advantage and cost him the election.

It remains to be seen who is the "will of the people", but it is far from being yet decided.

I'd add the X-factor of how many Democrats voted for Trump. Not Reagan Democrats, but agent provocateur Democrats.

On a side note...if anyone needs a break from this watch Batkid Begins on Netflix. I can't see how anyone could watch that and not feel better about life afterwards. Back to the election

If high blood pressure is not a problem for you, tune in to the Democrat debate on CNN. I have just heard about 15 minutes of distortion and outright lying from both Clinton and Sanders about guns. Both promise to enact gun control as a top priority.

That we would be tearing into Trump and Cruz is mind boggling.

Listen to Hillary.

She will be president if the Republican nominee fails to beat her.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
If high blood pressure is not a problem for you, tune in to the Democrat debate on CNN. I have just heard about 15 minutes of distortion and outright lying from both Clinton and Sanders about guns. Both promise to enact gun control as a top priority.

That we would be tearing into Trump and Cruz is mind boggling.

Listen to Hillary.

She will be president if the Republican nominee fails to beat her.

+1

I hope Trump, Cruz and the voters catch another gear. This is why the after the election heads-up polls don't carry much weight with me. No one has really started on the Dems yet.

Let those two morons push more gun control...The entire country has rejected it.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
If high blood pressure is not a problem for you, tune in to the Democrat debate on CNN. I have just heard about 15 minutes of distortion and outright lying from both Clinton and Sanders about guns. Both promise to enact gun control as a top priority.

That we would be tearing into Trump and Cruz is mind boggling.

Listen to Hillary.

She will be president if the Republican nominee fails to beat her.

Allow me to pop in here a quick sec to give a big plus one to that.

Hillary Clinton, folks. Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are thine enemy. Not Trump nor Cruz nor Kasich. We must not forget that.

Tune in, Czechvar. It's a wake up call even if you think you are awake.

Sanders pledges to release 90% of all prisoners-- with supervision, and educational opportunities, of course. Just open the cells of all the prisons and let them all out....

Hillary says she is pushing for a $12 minimum wage, and Bernie tops her: he's pushing for a $15 per hour minimum. She comes back that once she gets $12, she'll go for $15.

Getting the drift of it?

(And, BTW, no questions for Hillary about Benghazi-- not from Wolf, Bernie or the other "journalists" on the stage.)

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by justjoe:
If high blood pressure is not a problem for you, tune in to the Democrat debate on CNN. I have just heard about 15 minutes of distortion and outright lying from both Clinton and Sanders about guns. Both promise to enact gun control as a top priority.

That we would be tearing into Trump and Cruz is mind boggling.

Listen to Hillary.

She will be president if the Republican nominee fails to beat her.

Allow me to pop in here a quick sec to give a big plus one to that.

Hillary Clinton, folks. Hillary Clinton and the Democrats are thine enemy. Not Trump nor Cruz nor Kasich. We must not forget that.

+100000000

Bernie is now promising totally free health care for everybody in America. AND free college for everyone in America. The costs are-- Wolf says-- somewhere around 14 trillion dollars just for free college. 14 trillion.

Hillary basically agrees with some qualifications. AND she wants to expand social security benefits. --They can't go far enough in out-doing each other in this free-shit contest.

I'm sorry if this sounds overly dramatic, but either one of these in the Oval Office and America is destroyed.

Word.

Kasich is number 3 for me. I don't like everything about him but then the others bother me some too. However, I will say this. He has done a good job, AfAIK, economically for Ohio. It was in sad shape after Strickland was done. I saw the letter that was emailed out with him supporting the AWB. Our AG, Mike DeWine, at one time was also a supporter. Both he and Kasich have done a very good job with CCW in Ohio. We now have as good of reciprocity with as many states as anyone else. +/-1. We also recognize all other states. Deep down I can't help but think that Trump has the only real chance of beating the D candidate.

The Dem debate tonight was the first I had listened to and it was eye opening. They attacked Israel, law enforcement, guns... it was incredible to hear these commies running for Santa Claus.

I will vote for which ever R wins the nomination. I will worry if it is Trump but I recognize that his ego and attitude may help push some things through or at least send one hell of a jolt through the republican party. If It's Kasich I will hold my nose and suffer through the voting process on election day. I really dislike that guy. He will cost us a lot if he forces this to be a contested convention. If Kasich had suspended his campaign Trump would have likely won in a more convincing fashion and the circular firing squad would have ended earlier with a Trump/Cruz ticket. If we lose this election Kasich in my mind gets the blame.

"But Donald! But Donald! You can't just up and deport 12 million illegals!" We don't have to deport all 12 million at once, you know. In fact, I think a substantial number, when they realize their position is or will soon be untenable, will leave on their own. That would lessen the workload.

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Originally posted by egregore:
"But Donald! But Donald! You can't just up and deport 12 million illegals!" We don't have to deport all 12 million at once, you know. In fact, I think a substantial number, when they realize their position is or will soon be untenable, will leave on their own. That would lessen the workload.

Put a large enough tax on remittances to Mexico, and not only would it help pay for the wall, it will make working here illegally much less desirable. Heck, at that point Mexico might build a wall to keep them from coming back.