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Like Megyn Kelly said the other night, "this is a tough business."
As if she's some kind of authority on the matter. I've lost what little respect I had for her. The only reason she's up there is because of her looks. Period. She's an empty vessel AFAIC.
 
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That Wayne Allen Root fantasy piece does explain why Trump is getting attention. It is what some hope and wish were true. Trump is the focus and personification of those fondest dreams. But he isn't that, not really. He is just skilled (or maybe he just does it naturally) at tapping into those currents of desire. He couldn't and wouldn't actually do any of that.

I understand the desire to find a candidate who is genuinely different, and make the government functional. Trump isn't the guy. No one else up may be either. But Trump, as the thread title says, is just a first-rate ass clown. He is an ego-maniac and bomb-thrower. That's all.




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I understand the desire to find a candidate who is genuinely different, and make the government functional. Trump isn't the guy. No one else up may be either. But Trump, as the thread title says, is just a first-rate ass clown. He is an ego-maniac and bomb-thrower. That's all.

Scott Walker is trying to tap into that:

Scott Walker and a ‘Return to Normalcy’

Despite what The Donald and Jeb! and Carly said in last week’s debate, Scott Walker’s closing statement tackled an even larger elephant in the room: “I’m a guy with a wife, two kids, and a Harley. One article called me ‘aggressively normal.’” The Wisconsin Governor’s detractors aren’t as euphemistic. Let’s face it: Scott Walker is B-O-R-I-N-G.

He brags about the bargain rack at Kohl’s. He spends his Sunday mornings at church and his Sunday afternoons watching the Packers. He live-tweets his haircuts and getting the oil changed in his Saturn. His only unhealthy obsession seems to be an addiction to hot ham and rolls after church. (He really loves hot ham.)

In a news cycle filled with burning cities, beheaded Christians, and transgendered Kardashians, how does a dull Midwesterner stand out? He showed how Thursday night. To paraphrase a reporter talking about Barry Goldwater’s presidential strategy, “my God, Walker is running as Walker!”

This isn’t the first time a politician listed “aggressively normal” as a selling point. In 1920, America’s political climate was in even greater tumult than today’s. President Wilson had fundamentally transformed the federal government into an oppressive entity that regularly jailed detractors, instituted a then-unimaginable level of regulation, and created the first income tax. Our battered soldiers returned from the charnel houses of Europe to find an executive branch pushing for an even more robust internationalism. By the time the president was incapacitated by stroke (a fact hidden for months), most Americans had had enough.

In a field of flashy candidates, a dull Midwesterner caught the zeitgeist by calling for a “Return to Normalcy”:

“America’s present need is not heroics, but healing; not nostrums, but normalcy; not revolution, but restoration; not agitation, but adjustment; not surgery, but serenity; not the dramatic, but the dispassionate; not experiment, but equipoise; not submergence in internationality, but sustainment in triumphant nationality.”

Ohio Senator Warren G. Harding’s promise of a boring four years delivered a landslide victory from an exhausted electorate. After dying in office he was replaced by our dullest president, Calvin Coolidge, who was succeeded by a third steady hand, Herbert Hoover.

In many ways Walker is the heir to Silent Cal; a leader focused on concrete results with minimal rhetoric and even less drama. He spent his time as a county executive and governor methodically rolling back the worst excesses of government as the world flailed around him. The unwashed progressives in Madison ranted and raved, but Walker remained the eye of the storm. Unions threatened his family, judges harassed his friends, and MSNBC’s Ed Schultz held a year-long St. Vitus’ dance, while the governor stretched in his church pew, dreaming about hot ham.

As an ideologue, I’m more attracted to conservatarian activism. If a candidate promised to cut government in half, I would think it was merely a good start. Forget balancing the budget, I want spending well below incoming revenues for the next decade. And if the next government shutdown doesn’t last a year, don’t bother. So, on paper, a “return to normalcy” shouldn’t be that appealing.

But Walker appeals to an exhaustion with politics in general. Like most small-government enthusiasts, I don’t want to think about Washington, D.C. every minute of every day. My ideal politician is someone I only hear about at election time and maybe in January when he submits his State of the Union address in writing. I would much rather focus my time on family, business, and art, than waste Christmas Eve watching C-SPAN’s live congressional feed. I long for the days when supermarket magazine racks featured celebrity weight loss tips instead of FLOTUS lecturing me about kale.

If we’re frustrated with politics now, we’ll be desperate for relief by November 2016. If Scott Walker is able to capitalize on that mood — starting with a definition of what “normal” even means anymore — the White House chef might need to stock up on hot ham and rolls.

https://ricochet.com/scott-wal...-return-to-normalcy/



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Thank you for posting this article.

It's the most hopeful thing I've read in a long time.

This, from someone whose father said he is "fifty feet right of Calvin Coolidge."




 
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I'm all for the storm Trump has stirred up. But in 5 or 6 months, if not sooner, people will tire of all the drama that surrounds him. He will have performed a vital function, but candidates like Walker and Cruz-- intelligent, focused, issue-oriented-- will be more appealing than they are at the moment.

The Fox Three Stooges avoided Cruz as much as possible. That tells us a lot, right there.


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The Fox Three Stooges avoided Cruz as much as possible. That tells us a lot, right there.



Trump and Cruz have also met with each other privately. I suspect that tells us something as well. Something is brewing. Wink


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Sometimes I think Walker/Cruz, sometimes Cruz/Walker. But that is the ticket I am hoping for. I think it wins either way.


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The Fox Three Stooges avoided Cruz as much as possible. That tells us a lot, right there.



Trump and Cruz have also met with each other privately. I suspect that tells us something as well. Something is brewing. Wink


Oh come on that's another thread.... Big Grin

It would be a nice dream that this is all an elaborate plan devised by Cruz and Trump. I wouldn't put money on it myself though as he also talked with Bill Clinton!


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. . . he also talked with Bill Clinton!



dating tips ? Wink




 
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Oh come on that's another thread.... Big Grin

It would be a nice dream that this is all an elaborate plan devised by Cruz and Trump. I wouldn't put money on it myself though as he also talked with Bill Clinton!


Bill wanted him to invite Hil to the wedding, get her out of town as much as possible.

A friend in need is a friend indeed.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

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. . . he also talked with Bill Clinton!



dating tips ? Wink


Do you mean Bill giving or receiving the advice? Given both of their experiences, I would say Trump has a better track record. (or at least much better taste) Wink


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Root must have gotten ahold of some pretty good stuff.

This paints the completely one-sided picture of all the evil doers on one side against the paragon of truth, justice and the American way Trump on the other. Although it seems like a frustrated citizen's wet dream, I doubt that is reality.

For one thing, Trump has more ex-wives then everyone else running put together. That is a vulnerability. Everyone who has an ex-wife knows this. Ask Jack Ryan about this. Wait until Gloria Allred calls a press conference with one or both former Mrs. Trumps as guest of honor.

Like Megyn Kelly said the other night, "this is a tough business." Those big shots Root says will all be ruined aren't going to start sobbing and go quietly. Does anyone recall how many lives were ruined, some ended, in the various Clinton scandals, Whitewater, Rose Law billing records, the travel office, the chicken futures deals?

This may be like the Italian mafia, in which you are only accepted as a "made man" after you have killed someone following orders. Like the Senator in "Godfather", maybe you are only accepted as a powerful participant in the ruling elite if the powers have the goods on you somehow and can ruin you if you get too uppity. No others need apply. Of course, there are always risks of miscalculation.



And thats a part of what is disgusting about politics. Lets talk about what Trump's ex-wife from 20 years ago and focus on that. Lets forget the illegal immigrants, Isis, China, Russia, the debt amd deficit, etc. With about 20 gigantic issues that need to be fixed quickly, Megan Kelly beginning with an attack about Trump vs Women is absolutley disgusting.
 
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It would be a nice dream that this is all an elaborate plan devised by Cruz and Trump. I wouldn't put money on it myself though as he also talked with Bill Clinton!


Bill wanted him to invite Hill to the wedding, get her out of town as much as possible.

A friend in need is a friend indeed.

One thing they can all agree on is getting her out of town as much as possible.
Heck, that's why Obama made her SecState, right?



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And thats a part of what is disgusting about politics. Lets talk about what Trump's ex-wife from 20 years ago and focus on that. Lets forget the illegal immigrants, Isis, China, Russia, the debt amd deficit, etc. With about 20 gigantic issues that need to be fixed quickly, Megan Kelly beginning with an attack about Trump vs Women is absolutley disgusting.


JAllen doesn't need my help, but you are missing the point utterly. Jallen isn't criticizing Trump for having had several wives. He is simply observing that have some ex-wives is a potential trouble spot for any candidate.

Perhaps that is unfair and shouldn't be relevant to a political campaign. It isn't relevant in many other parts of the world. But it is relevant in American politics. Noting that is a potential vulnerability isn't the same as trying to exploit it.




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And thats a part of what is disgusting about politics. Lets talk about what Trump's ex-wife from 20 years ago and focus on that. Lets forget the illegal immigrants, Isis, China, Russia, the debt amd deficit, etc. With about 20 gigantic issues that need to be fixed quickly, Megan Kelly beginning with an attack about Trump vs Women is absolutley disgusting.


JAllen doesn't need my help, but you are missing the point utterly. Jallen isn't criticizing Trump for having had several wives. He is simply observing that have some ex-wives is a potential trouble spot for any candidate.

Perhaps that is unfair and shouldn't be relevant to a political campaign. It isn't relevant in many other parts of the world. But it is relevant in American politics. Noting that is a potential vulnerability isn't the same as trying to exploit it.



And you've missed my point, which is that it shouldn't matter.
 
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And you've missed the original point, which is that it does matter, no matter if it should or not.
 
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And you've missed the original point, which is that it does matter, no matter if it should or not.



Oh, I'll agree that there are voters that are more worried about whether or not Trump called Rosie O'Donnel a fat pig than they are about the downfall of this country. I was just saying it shouldn't matter in terms of priorities.
 
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JAllen doesn't need my help, but you are missing the point utterly. Jallen isn't criticizing Trump for having had several wives. He is simply observing that have some ex-wives is a potential trouble spot for any candidate.

Perhaps that is unfair and shouldn't be relevant to a political campaign. It isn't relevant in many other parts of the world. But it is relevant in American politics. Noting that is a potential vulnerability isn't the same as trying to exploit it.


Irrelevancy and personal attacks are going to be the norm against Trump, he knows
it and I guarantee you he's got a staff that does nothing but think up BS personal questions about him and grills him on getting the right answer, the "trump" right answer, not the PC answer where you are asked what you said when you were caught masturbating in the closet by your mom and you give the Lord please forgive me speech sanctioned by the GOP... seriously. Roll Eyes

Simply done trump only has to toss off the question like it's meaningless and he's not going to deal with it, and the media will move on. an answer like "yep I divorced her, we don't get along, what do you expect her to do, go on your little show and heap praise on me, seriously is that your question, about how an ex-spouse has a problem with his other ex? Why do you think they divorced, because they were getting along?

Every divorced person in America just related....
 
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Root must have gotten ahold of some pretty good stuff.

This paints the completely one-sided picture of all the evil doers on one side against the paragon of truth, justice and the American way Trump on the other. Although it seems like a frustrated citizen's wet dream, I doubt that is reality.

For one thing, Trump has more ex-wives then everyone else running put together. That is a vulnerability. Everyone who has an ex-wife knows this. Ask Jack Ryan about this. Wait until Gloria Allred calls a press conference with one or both former Mrs. Trumps as guest of honor.

Like Megyn Kelly said the other night, "this is a tough business." Those big shots Root says will all be ruined aren't going to start sobbing and go quietly. Does anyone recall how many lives were ruined, some ended, in the various Clinton scandals, Whitewater, Rose Law billing records, the travel office, the chicken futures deals?

This may be like the Italian mafia, in which you are only accepted as a "made man" after you have killed someone following orders. Like the Senator in "Godfather", maybe you are only accepted as a powerful participant in the ruling elite if the powers have the goods on you somehow and can ruin you if you get too uppity. No others need apply. Of course, there are always risks of miscalculation.



And thats a part of what is disgusting about politics. Lets talk about what Trump's ex-wife from 20 years ago and focus on that. Lets forget the illegal immigrants, Isis, China, Russia, the debt amd deficit, etc. With about 20 gigantic issues that need to be fixed quickly, Megan Kelly beginning with an attack about Trump vs Women is absolutley disgusting.


Megyn Kelly has nothing to do with Trump's ex-wives and any problems or risk they may pose to his campaign.

If, as, and when Trump becomes a threat to actually win, those who don't want that will be under increasing pressure to prevent it. His divorces will be fair game for whichever opposition researchers care to delve into it. They have plenty of incentive, and may avail themselves of the opportunity to shift through the wreckages.

Maybe there is nothing there. It's not impossible, theoretically, to divorce two wives in favor of young better looking chickipoo's without engendering any wrath, outrage, hurt, bad feelings. OTOH, Hell hath no fury and all that. It happens and you can bet it will be looked at very hard.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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jallen, it doesn't matter, all the wimmins be voting for Hillary anyway, cause she's a wimmin... LOL
 
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