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Isn't that an awfully convoluted way of asking a strawman question on a false narrative?

She could have asked him a convoluted question on Elvis sightings. It's just as valid.

Like "Some people say you have you beaten your wife". "When did you quit beating your wife".

I could rattle off dozens of questions to each candidate, in a similar matter. That does not make any of them valid. I do not expect such questions in a debate that wants to be professional & informative. It's was more of a "gotcha" set up, & completely inappropriate, & the moderators did not question the other candidates in a similar fashion. Most people saw thru that bullshit, that's 1 reason Trumps numbers are up since. Claiming that Hillary & her minions may ask about made up bullshit is just trying to justify !s Kelly's insulting stupid questioning.


No, it is not. If Trump were the nominee it is very likely that he will be attacked on the basis by the Dems. Asking how he will handle it is legitimate. Given his propensity to shoot from the hip and the higher chance that Trump will say something ill-considered, it is doubly legitimate.

I do agree that there is a certain component of "When did you stop beating your wife?" in the question. But I don't think it predominates, and knowing how the candidate will answer such questions, when you can be assured the other side will ask them, IS important.




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Then there's this:
http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb...ina-town-halls/?dcz=

This suggests that he's not serious or not interested in running a more conventional campaign. Or is his thinking the Donald brand can supersede some retail politics?


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Isn't that an awfully convoluted way of asking a strawman question on a false narrative?


Yes, it obviously was.

If the moderator was interested in knowing how he would respond to false democrat attacks, she could have asked:

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Mr. Trump, as you know the democrats have concocted a false narrative relating to a mythical republican 'War on Women'. You will surely be attacked on this basis as the campaign evolves. How will you respond to this false narrative and what is your view toward issues that are important to women?


See how it's done? That question is designed to actually give the candidate an opportunity to respond to a substantive issue rather than a very thinly veiled attack masquerading as a question.

If people can't see the difference, they are either intentionally obtuse or as in the parable they are just refusing to see.



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See how it's done?
Well, some of us do. Roll Eyes
 
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The only guys who are trying to play the gotcha game are in the media. The voters don't care about that. The voters are interested in the larger picture.

Look, the country needs a cheerleader. The country needs a salesman. The country needs somebody who will lead. That's the problem with Jeb Bush -- something Trump himself has identified -- the guy's a stiff, the country needs a cheerleader...

He is an optimist by nature, something he and Reagan have in common. Beyond just seeing the big picture and the larger than life themselves. I think he's very optimistic. By anybody's measure this is going exceedingly well. He has yet to spend a dollar on paid media. There were those, and I was among them, who said, 'after you become a candidate it's possible that your free media coverage is going to pop off because they have to cover [the other candidates].'

And I was completely wrong about that because the conventional rules of politics, so far at least, do no apply to Donald Trump and it's an exciting thing.
 
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That article suggests Trump shouldn't rule out an independent candidacy.

If Trump did that, we should conclude he is a secret Democrat.




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"Trump vs. Kelly: an Establishment Trap:"

So, what is the conservative response to Mr. Trump’s dust up with Ms. Kelly? Don’t step into the trap. Sidestep.

As Mr. Trump said in the debate last week: The issue of immigration would not be discussed at all but for his entry into the race. The conservative choice is to focus on the issues that really matter in the presidential race. Mr. Trump is hitting hard on the issues that impact our country most, and conservatives should not be sidetracked by Establishment Republican’s insubstantial distractions.

Look at Walker, and Cruz:

Cruz is the only figure in view who has answered his party’s betrayal of its rank and file like a roaring lion, calling out no less than its Senate leader (who responded by sending an aide out to cower for him). Walker has defeated three attempts by the hard left to destroy his governorship, in the process breaking the power of the government unions, a victory for which he deserves his own private Rushmore.

Sidestep. No one has done it better than Ted Cruz.



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Sidestep. No one has done it better than Ted Cruz.


Cruz is a master.

Though I know it is folly to read anything into the various machinations of anyone involved in politics, deep down I dream that the Trump-Cruz phone call and lack of entanglements between the two is secret plan for Trump to play bad guy, doing the dirty work to pave the road for Cruz. Surely, it is just a dream.


Watched a recent interchange between Cruz and Feinstein. He really got under her skin, but was completely un-fazed by her retorts. BTW, she looks like she should be the spokes person for Batesville Casket Company.




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Originally posted by maximus_flavius:
Isn't that an awfully convoluted way of asking a strawman question on a false narrative?


Yes, it obviously was.

If the moderator was interested in knowing how he would respond to false democrat attacks, she could have asked:

quote:
Mr. Trump, as you know the democrats have concocted a false narrative relating to a mythical republican 'War on Women'. You will surely be attacked on this basis as the campaign evolves. How will you respond to this false narrative and what is your view toward issues that are important to women?


See how it's done? That question is designed to actually give the candidate an opportunity to respond to a substantive issue rather than a very thinly veiled attack masquerading as a question.

If people can't see the difference, they are either intentionally obtuse or as in the parable they are just refusing to see.


Exactly, the anti attitude again MJ isn't just because she asked a insensitive question on a topic that nobody really wanted to hear about from these candidates, and of a personal nature. It could have been asked in a professional manner, instead it was done attack mode.

I haven't seen any other listing but do we have her other personal attack questions on the rest of the candidates, other than "bush being a bush"
 
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Sidestep. No one has done it better than Ted Cruz.


Cruz is a master.

Though I know it is folly to read anything into the various machinations of anyone involved in politics, deep down I dream that the Trump-Cruz phone call and lack of entanglements between the two is secret plan for Trump to play bad guy, doing the dirty work to pave the road for Cruz. Surely, it is just a dream.


Watched a recent interchange between Cruz and Feinstein. He really got under her skin, but was completely un-fazed by her retorts. BTW, she looks like she should be the spokes person for Batesville Casket Company.


Yeah, well, he's actually read, and understands, the Constitution, and litigated it successfully at high levels on many occasions.

As an "eyewitness", he ruins a lot of good stories!

I'm not buying the story about an actual agreement between him and Trump. Cruz and Huckabee seem to understand what the goal is, to get every vote they possibly can to go for us and them, best done by explaining their ideas and goals and values, not wasting their time and attention tearing up someone else directly, talk about principles, not people, except Hillary, of course.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Though I know it is folly to read anything into the various machinations of anyone involved in politics, deep down I dream that the Trump-Cruz phone call and lack of entanglements between the two is secret plan for Trump to play bad guy, doing the dirty work to pave the road for Cruz. Surely, it is just a dream.


Yes, I think that's a dream. From what I know of Trump's MO, he is not that altruistic. But they share a lot of common ground, and no doubt see each other as allies, especially so since Cruz refused to join the yapping, cowardly Republican attack dogs.

Over time, I see Trump fading and Cruz emerging. That is my dream.


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The plus for Trump, besides being too rich to be bought by the industrialists and interest groups or that he sees a bigger picture, is that if you work with him (congress) then you'll ride to higher levels, you fuck with him and you might find you're shoveling dog shit out of the white house lawn with a plastic spoon

He has the ability to own the press, this could be advantageous to getting people to do things .

Or he might implode, either way its fun to watch
 
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You think Trumps numbers and popularity are big now? Wait until he bitch slaps one of these black lives matter twits when they try to bully him off stage.
A Bernie Sanders he won't be.
All the pieces are in place for this to happen. He's thrown down the gauntlet and they accepted.

Wait for it... Wait for it... Big Grin


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Here's Trump getting a bit more specific on what he plans to do regarding the border and Obamacare. This from a Hannity interview:


http://video.foxnews.com/v/441...etwork#sp=show-clips
 
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You think Trumps numbers and popularity are big now? Wait until he bitch slaps one of these black lives matter twits when they try to bully him off stage.
Unlike this decrepit old twit Sanders, Trump will have security people within a couple of steps distance and Shaniqua and Man'trav-ious are getting their asses stomped.


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You think Trumps numbers and popularity are big now? Wait until he bitch slaps one of these black lives matter twits when they try to bully him off stage.
Unlike this drepit old twit Sanders, Trump will have security people withing a couple of steps distance and Shaniqua and Man'trav-iuos are getting get their asses stomped.

He needs to hire some big black and Mexican body guards to sweep that garbage off the stage.


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There are quite a few very large former NFL and NFL wannabes looking for work.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Who is the football player who did those commercials where he came out of nowhere in business offices and body-slammed people?

That's who Trump needs.
 
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Hell, those two ladies from the YouTube video could clean house and then lay down a great verbal riff about it all. Wink

One thing for sure, there will not be some pathetic flunky sidling up to the mike to squeak out, "okay, we are going to shut it down."


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Who is the football player who did those commercials where he came out of nowhere in business offices and body-slammed people?

That's who Trump needs.


That would be Terry Tate, office linebacker Big Grin




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5dJb2YG7vU



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