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BOTH sides of the isle and career politicians in general need a reality check in who they truly serve (the PEOPLE), and Trump is the only one that can give it to them. It is not just about politics, policy differences, politcal correctness, or posturing, it's just the simple truth. If Reagan were still alive, I bet he would agree.


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Posts: 4417 | Location: Central Florida | Registered: April 03, 2006Report This Post
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So have any of the remaining Republican nominees assigned blame to the actual protesters yet? All I've seen so far is all blame being laid at Trump's feet.

Every punch I saw thrown last night was by a protester.

Fuck Rubio.

Fuck Kasich.

Fuck Cruz. And I say this as a (now) former Ted supporter.

I would have still been in Cruz's corner today if he had condemned the protesters instead of Trump. He essentially took the side of a bunch of dirty fucking hippie, liberal, free-shit, Goddamn Commies. Fuck you Ted. And Fuck You Twice Again. You showed your true character last night and this morning. Trump was right about you, you lying, sniveling sack of shit.

I have no doubt that Trump knew what he was doing when he picked that venue. Seemed to work out well to his advantage. Shows the left for what they are. Shows the current GOP line-up for what they are as well.


Well said.
 
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I have no doubt that Trump knew what he was doing when he picked that venue.


And yet you don't think he deserves any of the blame?

Yes, everyone should blame the protesters too, but if as you say Trump knew exactly what he was doing, it's the same as poking a bear and then crying foul when the bear mauls you. No, you're still to blame for poking the bear.
 
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Trump should have used the term "job fair" instead of "rally" and there probably would've been no problems.



 
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Originally posted by OcCurt:
I have no doubt that Trump knew what he was doing when he picked that venue.


And yet you don't think he deserves any of the blame?


No
 
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I was just handed a draft copy of Rubio's victory speech about next Tuesday's primary in Florida. It's basically the same talking points which he has repeated over and over again, but one statement stood out among all others:


"I can't believe I lost to a nanosophobe!"


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Trump should have used the term "job fair" instead of "rally" and there probably would've been no problems.


Now that's some funny shit. Big Grin
 
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Trump should have used the term "job fair" instead of "rally" and there probably would've been no problems.


Now that's some funny shit. Big Grin


Yes, I really enjoyed that one. Big Grin




 
Posts: 11744 | Location: Western Oklahoma | Registered: June 18, 2008Report This Post
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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
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Originally posted by OcCurt:
I have no doubt that Trump knew what he was doing when he picked that venue.


And yet you don't think he deserves any of the blame?


No


Trump shouldn't be getting any blame at all. We have a thing in this country called "personal responsibility" and "freedom of choice". That means if you choose to have a riot at an event then the riot and all the consequences of the riot are on YOU, not on the person holding the event.

I swear, this leftist "nothing is my fault" and "someone else is to blame for my problems and actions" is going to be the death of us all.




 
Posts: 11744 | Location: Western Oklahoma | Registered: June 18, 2008Report This Post
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Trump in Dayton, Ohio right now.

A protester acted up. Trump yelled "Get him out"
"take him home to mom. She will lock him in his bed room"

wow. The podium started to shake and 4 guards surrounded Trump. Not sure yet what happened.

everything ok crowd going nuts USA USA

a protester did something close to Trump couldn't see what it was

trump thanks police

the rally is right at Trumps plane at the airport




update:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...ck/story?id=37601079

Shortly after mocking a protester who was being escorted out of the event in Dayton, Ohio, four Secret Service agents jumped onto the stage and surrounded Trump as someone appeared to be trying to reach the stage.

"I was ready for him, but it's much easier if the cops do it, don’t we agree?" Trump said to the cheering crowd.

Per CNN: Even after what happened in Chicago, people in Dayton, Ohio, lined up starting at 1 a.m. for this morning’s Trump event. The Fire Marshall had to shut down the line due to the number of people that eventually showed up.
 
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Trump in Ohio right now.

A protester acted up. Trump yelled "Get hin out"
"take him home to mom. She will lock him in his bed room"

wow. The podium started to shake and 4 guards surrounded Trump. Not sure yet what happened.

everything ok crowd going nuts USA USA


here? http://www.aol.com/article/201...000058&intcmp=hplnws

A West Jordan mom is facing child abuse charges after dropping off her 8-year-old son at a hospital with a note saying she didn't want him anymore.
It took place at the Jordan Valley Medical Center on Feb. 21. The woman left the child with nothing but the clothes on his back and a note which read:

This kid is rude and ungovernable! I do not want him in my house at all!

oops, Utah, not Ohio.



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Posts: 8295 | Location: in the red zone of the blue state, CT | Registered: October 15, 2008Report This Post
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With each election cycle the divide in this country gets wider and wider. We're split between the half that creates the economy and the other half that just takes. I've never seen it this bad. Makes the 60's look like a playground spat.
 
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Trump shouldn't be getting any blame at all. We have a thing in this country called "personal responsibility" and "freedom of choice". That means if you choose to have a riot at an event then the riot and all the consequences of the riot are on YOU, not on the person holding the event.

I swear, this leftist "nothing is my fault" and "someone else is to blame for my problems and actions" is going to be the death of us all.


If you leave your gun on the front seat of your car in plain view, and someone smashes your window and takes it, we blame the criminal.

You're still an idiot for leaving it there.

In the same way, if Trump knew what he was doing and the likely consequences, then he also bears some responsibility.
 
Posts: 3688 | Location: Nashville | Registered: July 23, 2012Report This Post
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What happened to the REAL conservatives?

Republican purse-clutchers have told us that Trump is not a true conservative. Indeed, Cruz seems to indicate that he is the ideological keeper of the sacred scrolls of conservatism. Yet, who is talking about conservatism today?

Cruz, Rubio and Kasich are blaming Trump for the violence brought to Chicago. But, it was MoveOn.org, BLM, Bernie supporters and left wing agitators who came itching for a literal fight. It seems that all punches came from protestors. So, why have the Republican candidates who claim to be the true conservatives decided to blame Trump for protestor violence?

You would think that this would be a time to reinforce the notion of free speech and not giving hecklers a violent veto over free speech, but no, the alleged high-road conservatives are showing their true colors. This is a great moment to talk of the need for peaceful speech and freedom of expression by Americans who gather to hear from a presidential candidate. But, who is talking of free speech and the rule of law today? Trump That’s who.

During his speech today in Ohio, Trump spoke of the rule of law. He spoke of the need to have free speech in our society. He spoke of how hecklers should not be allowed to disrupt the peaceful gathering of enthusiastic voters. And, he praised his supporters for being peaceful in the face of serious provocation. These are strong conservative principles.

Cruz , Rubio, and Kasich showed themselves to be opportunists in spinning last night’s event in ways to bend a truly super Tuesday election. So, just how strong are their conservative principles in politics if they will pass up an international opportunity to speak resoundingly of some of the strongest underpinnings of our exceptional, constitutional country. They each had the chance to be truly conservative in supporting free speech and assembly but they let those principles take a back seat to a desire to derail Trump.

Maybe the alleged “true” Republican conservatives are just wearing a slogan and a label. What a missed opportunity to stand strong for some of our conservative foundation. Only Trump is championing who we are.


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Here's what's really driving angry white voters

By Gerri Willis Published March 11, 2016 FoxNews.com

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Everybody’s talking about the angry white voters who are putting Donald Trump on a fast track to the White House. Who are they? Where do they come from? And, why are they so angry? In my view, only Washington insiders could ask such a stupid question.


For me, it all goes back to the Kardashian ninnies. That’s my term for the people who trolled the local mall buying things they didn’t need and putting the debt on credit cards. Back when I started out covering personal finance, credit card debt was the single biggest financial problem people talked about.

The ninnies aren’t gone, but these days there are fewer of them. Credit card debt has never returned to the high of 2008. Heck, there are fewer malls, and more are closing every day. Corporate America understands this trend, but inside the beltway it remains a mystery.

In truth, the biggest financial problem for American families today isn’t credit card debt, it is income. Median incomes have been shrinking since 2006. Last month, when the labor department reported February jobs numbers, average hourly wages declined.

And, it’s not like costs are falling, despite what you hear from the government. Average rents are expected to rise eight percent this year, while housing prices may well continue their seven percent plus streak higher. No wonder the homeownership rate is at a 48-year low. Few families can afford it.

The other thing few can afford is a college education. Tuition and other college costs have been percolating along at gains of 3 percent above inflation annually, even during the recession. Medical expenses continue to be the No. 1 reason that families file for personal bankruptcy. Even routine costs for people with medical coverage, such as deductibles and co-pays are on the rise.


I could go on, but you get the picture. People are squeezed. And, that financial pressure has gotten only worse in the wake of the Great Recession. The recession lasted just eighteen months, but the twilight economy we’ve been living in ever since has lasted seven long years.

So people are angry. They are angry they can’t find fulltime jobs with decent pay, and angry that their kids can’t either. This anger has sometimes been cast inward. When Princeton economists Anne Case and Angus Deaton evaluated life expectancy for middle aged white Americans, they found it was going down, not up.

Even as Latinos and African Americans are living longer, middle aged whites are dying in droves from drug overdoses, suicide, cirrhosis of the liver and diseases traditionally defined as self inflicted. A Washington Post reporter recently matched up the county by county breakdown of white deaths from these causes with Trump support on Super Tuesday.

What he found, was that Trump support was concentrated in these areas.

This week I spoke with Michael Barone, the astute author of the “Almanac of American Politics,” about the primary in Michigan. I asked him where Trump’s support was strong. He said, “Where wasn’t it?” And, then he told me a story about Michigan’s jobs history. In 1970, he said, the UAW conducted a legendary strike against GM in which it demanded 30 years on the line and out for assembly plant workers.

GM was so dominant at the time, that a strike by all its line workers meant one in 200 of all U.S. employees were idle. The national jobs rate plunged for the two months of the strike. Workers got what they were asking for – retirement after 30 years and lavish healthcare benefits. Golden years for these workers started at 48 years of age. Unimaginable, right? Today we’re trying to keep working into our 60s and even 70s to pay for retirement on our own.

Now the children of those retirees are voting. Some of them live in what Barone calls the Flint Riviera along Lake Huron. They voted in huge numbers for Trump. In Iosco County more than 50 percent of the primary vote went for Trump.

These people know precisely how far the American economy has fallen and they are struggling to make it. In a couple of generations, they witnessed the country’s loosened grip on growth and prosperity. And, they don’t like it. Neither do I. Ultimately, I wish fixing the financial problems of American families were as simple as controlling the Kardashian ninnies. In fact, the problems are much more difficult to solve. Coasting along like we have been just isn’t good enough. And, that’s what those angry white voters are telling Washington.



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Gerri Willis joined Fox Business Network (FBN) in March of 2010. She is an anchor and personal finance correspondent for the network. Willis is the author of the book “Rich is not a Four-Letter Word” which will be released by Penguin Random House Crown Forum on April 19.




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When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Just stop it with this crap. Stop it with the "Trump knew what would happen so he planned all this" shit. Stop it. You guys don't know anything of the sort. Stop talking out of your ass like you can read Trump's mind. Buncha hot air. Stop arguing over this nonsense.
 
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The Facebook link a page or two back wrapped it all up with a single word:

"Collective"


That's all you need to know about these people.


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Borg may have been better than "collective".
 
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What happened to the REAL conservatives?


What's a real conservative? How many on this forum? 70K? Even we can't agree on the definition of a conservative.
 
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Trump seems to be the only one the left is afraid of. Why would they fear him more than the others?


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