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Quite a few protesters reported at Trump Kansas City rally

Trump asks “what do they do to these people? Do they arrest them?” Trump says protesters should be arrested because they are “violating all of us.”

Trump says his supporters don’t invade rallies of liberal politicians. He says the protesters who are “very violent” deserve to be arrested and he’ll file whatever charges you want.

Trump says “if they want to do this,” let “them have a big arrest mark” so their lives could be ruined. He says “we’re not going to have any more protesters” once that starts happening.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-j...se-race-livewire-10/

several videos at link
 
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For Cruz to jump in is for me a defining moment. He is a phony, a creep, and I have zero respect for him.



You're getting hysterical, Joe. Cause what? Trump blatantly saying that Bush lied about WMDs to get us into war or that he somehow knew about 9/11 beforehand wasn't a defining moment for you? Is that not a completely predictable leftist notion?

Your credibility is beginning to wane on me with such outright bias. I'm disappointed in Cruz as well, but not near so much as Trump has disappointed me. I happen to still have respect enough for both of them however.


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Maybe it is high time us conservatives started protesting and rioting...oh wait, we have jobs, bills to pay, and families to raise right...
 
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I'm not trying to impress you, Balze, I'm saying what I think. Commie totalitarians are trying to shut down free speech in America through violence and intimidation. This is not hysterical. This is what is happening. Just open your eyes.

Cruz is asked about what happened in Chicago, and he chooses NOT to identify what is actually happening, but rather to join in with the leftists in blaming Trump for the violence.

I'm calm. I'm generally calm. And I'm very calmly saying I have no respect for Cruz. Screw his political career. I don't give a shit about his political career. What's happening in my country is what I care about. And he should too. Above all.


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Before we let too much disappointment build up regarding Donald Trump, please consider this:

Trump is out there alone. Almost no politicians are standing w him.

He is out there day after day wearing a bullet proof vest and dealing with tens of thousands of people. He is directly defying the hundreds (thousands ?) of screaming protesters from the worst far left scum that exist in our country.

Scumbags that have no fear of defying law & order. Our so called president has let it be known that he backs them, not the law enforcement that protects us from utter mayhem.

And Trump is not backing down. We are seeing more guts and leadership than we have seen in a long long time.

I don't know how this ends, but I am very grateful to Donald Trump.
 
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I'm not trying to impress you, Balze, I'm saying what I think. Commie totalitarians are trying to shut down free speech in America through violence and intimidation. This is not hysterical. This is what is happening. Just open your eyes.

Cruz is asked about what happened in Chicago, and he chooses NOT to identify what is actually happening, but rather to join in with the leftists in blaming Trump for the violence.

I'm calm. I'm generally calm. And I'm very calmly saying I have no respect for Cruz. Screw his political career. I don't give a shit about his political career. What's happening in my country is what I care about. And he should too. Above all.


One of the fist things Cruz said last night was "The responsibility for that lies with protesters, who took violence into their own hands", so he put the blame on them, but he does not like the fact Trump condones violence by saying punch someone and I'll pay the legal fees. Cruz has had protesters and has a different way of reacting to them. I remember watching that Code Pink video where he called them up and talked to them for 20 minutes.

This is part of the transcript from the Hewitt show last night that dives a bit deeper into where Cruz is coming from.


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HH: People are rallying to you, including Mike Lee today. I am curious, though, if your rallies have been marred by the kind of incidents that are actually maybe unfolding tonight at a Donald Trump rally. We are watching it very closely. There are reports of a large number of demonstrators. And Tim Miller called it a culture of violence that surrounds and propagates the Trump campaign. That might be overstating it, superPAC style. But have you had any of these incidents, Senator Cruz, that have gotten that ugly?

TC: No, not remotely, and there’s no doubt that a candidate bears responsibility for the culture that is set from the top. And you know, my approach, listen, it comes from how you view the voters. You know, Donald demands of the voters that they stand up and pledge their allegiance to him, pledge that they would vote for him. As I mentioned last night, I think that gets it exactly backwards. This is a job interview. You know, kings and queens demand of their subjects that they pledge allegiance to them, but in America, we don’t pledge allegiance to men. We pledge allegiance to the flag. We pledge allegiance to the Constitution. But we don’t pledge allegiance to men. And this is very much, each of us should be asking to work for 330 million Americans. And what I am doing is pledging my allegiance to you. And part of that is reflected on how you approach protestors, because if you are the monarch from on high, then the protestor is disloyal and needs to be cast out and punished. You know, my approach, often, Hugh, with protestors, is if they’re being civil, I’ll often engage with them. You know, we had an event up in Maine, a huge rally in Maine. There were several college kids that stood up and began protesting. And I said all right, stand up, tell me what your concern is, let’s talk about it, let’s talk about illegal immigration. Let’s talk about climate change. And I ended up having an impromptu ten minute debate with a protestor on substance, and said listen, if you don’t have a right to shout down this event. If you’re disruptive the police officers will escort you out. But if you want to engage in civil discourse, we can talk about it. In fact, I remember there was one event, Hugh, you may have seen a video of it online where we were doing an event outside the White House protesting this terrible Iran deal and focusing on the American hostages.

HH: I did. That’s on…

TC: And we had protestors from Code Pink that began yelling us down. And I invited Medea Benjamin, who’s the head of Code Pink, I said listen, you can’t shout this down and silence our speech. But if you want, pick one of you, and they picked Medea Benjamin, come on up to the microphone. I’ll give you my microphone. You make the case they this deal is a good deal, and I’ll argue the other side. And we had about a 25 minute impromptu, civil, respectful debate on the substance. I think that’s reflective of a candidate who views the voters with respect, not as potential subjects for a monarch.


http://www.hughhewitt.com/ted-...y-culture-campaigns/
 
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Ted Cruz has never had to deal with the hard core Leftists Soros and the DNC Commies are throwing at Trump.

I think it's fine if Trump kicks those assholes out, they are there exclusively to raise hell and shut down any exchange of ideas. And a little Bear Spray wouldn't hurt either...

Besides...Cruz is sleeping with the enemy now...and probably those Code Pink trollips too...
 
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Ted Cruz's answer is always to have a debate.

There is no debating with Tommy Dimassimo.

There is no hope of Cruz successfully debating a BLM leader.

Or one of those waving the Mexican flag.

Or a 20 year old who thinks socialism is great and he will get free tuition, free health care, free everything.

You can only have a reasonable debate when both sides are reasonable.

The internal forces attacking our country want power. They demand to get what they want without compromise or trade-off.

The far left doesn't bow down to logic or arguments based on reality. They must be defeated, not negotiated with.
 
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I'm fine with him tossing them out and I think Cruz is as well if it's civil. Trump isn't responsible for the paid loons sent to shut his stuff down and there may not be any other way to deal with them.

I posted the transcript because when Cruz essentially said last night that anger leads to angry discourses I don't think it's coming from the perspective that Joe does. From Code Pink trying to shout him down in D.C. to that angry farmer in Iowa he has turned anger into civil conversations. He could be wrong and it's obviously not the only way to deal with protesters, but I think in his heart he doesn't understand anyone resorting to violence because he feels there is another way that is Constitutional. Again, it doesn't mean that he is right, but I think it really bothers him.
 
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Then let's hope President Trump nominates Cruz to the Supreme Court...he can talk all day there...
 
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Then let's hope President Trump nominates Cruz to the Supreme Court...he can talk all day there...


If Cruz does not win, this is my biggest hope. Hell, I would love it if he quit the race, endorsed Trump, and waited for his appointment.

Thirty years on the bench at the highest court in the land vs. four years fighting Congress? Sign me UP!
 
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The internal forces attacking our country want power. They demand to get what they want without compromise or trade-off.

The far left doesn't bow down to logic or arguments based on reality. They must be defeated, not negotiated with.


That's right. Anybody think Bill Ayers would like to engage in the lively exchange of ideas-- and, you know, he just might change his mind... and move to the right....mmm yeah, could happen....


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It's cute, naively cute - like little girls and puppies, to think everything can be debated.

What's worse, though, is that Ted Cruz knows better.

He knows that sometimes violence is the only answer.

But now, in an election context, he pretends otherwise and infers Trump and his supporters are wrong, and it's disingenuous, at best, it's campaigning, just a shitty type.

His campaign strategy choices are washing away the respect I have for the man.
 
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It's cute, naively cute - like little girls and puppies, to think everything can be debated.

What's worse, though, is that Ted Cruz knows better.

He knows that sometimes violence is the only answer.

But now, in an election context, he pretends otherwise and infers Trump and his supporters are wrong, and it's disingenuous, at best, it's campaigning, just a shitty type.

His campaign strategy choices are washing away the respect I have for the man.


Or he's been there and done it another way successfully. I agree that Trump is dealing with larger forces, but Code Pink isn't exactly a walk in the park. It's fine to think the guy is wrong and possibly even naive, but it's another thing to go after him the way some of you are. The man doesn't walk on water and is probably about to lose the race, but he's the most principled man we've had run in my lifetime. He also lives and breathes the Constitution and does not waiver from it or believe in lawlessness. It may be naive, but he obviously still believes in a time where decency can prevail. I respect him for that and in all honesty enjoy watching the last decent man like him we'll probably ever have running for the office.
 
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Yeah...Cruz should have Trumps back on these agitators. He is getting bad advise. Sometimes you just have to do what is right even if it may not be what appears to be most advantageous politically. I expect desperate little Marco to take the low road, but I expected more from Cruz. Politics is a dirty business.
 
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His campaign strategy choices are washing away the respect I have for the man.[/QUOTE]

Or he's been there and done it another way successfully. I agree that Trump is dealing with larger forces, but Code Pink isn't exactly a walk in the park. It's fine to think the guy is wrong and possibly even naive, but it's another thing to go after him the way some of you are. The man doesn't walk on water and is probably about to lose the race, but he's the most principled man we've had run in my lifetime. He also lives and breathes the Constitution and does not waiver from it or believe in lawlessness. It may be naive, but he obviously still believes in a time where decency can prevail. I respect him for that and in all honesty enjoy watching the last decent man like him we'll probably ever have running for the office.[/QUOTE]

Ackks, Cruz is no doubt a good man. But really no better than many guys I know and many many others out there. So I think your last statement is a bit over dramatic.

He just rubs me the wrong way. Hard to put my finger on it.
Plus I have said I don't think he would beat hilry. He would absolutely inflame the left and much of the center imho.



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Its politics. I dont worry about the "he said she said" just yet. They will fight it out, as has always been done, but in the end they better come together (as has always been done).

Now, after the nominee is decided, and party members decide to go off the reservation? Well then it's personal and a time for burning bridges with whichever candidate strays.

"Whoever is not with us is against us". After July this needs to be our cry. Today, we can live with a little infighting.
 
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Yeah...Cruz should have Trumps back on these agitators.


Especially because it's going to get worse-- bigger groups of "protestors" and more intimidating, more violent. Everybody knows this.

It's not so much about having Trump's back, it's seeing what is happening to free speech in America at the hands of totalitarians-- and standing up against that. Of course Rubio would just see an opportunity to score political points for himself.

But Cruz sees what is going on, and he knows what is at stake.

And he chose to be a dwarf right alongside Little Marco.


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When Trump becomes the nominee, you can all expect me to defend the man and actively campaign for him all the way to the election. At this point in time though I am behind Ted Cruz because I see him as an infinitely better man who would make a great President, despite his flaws.

I understand the disappointment in Cruz by a lot of you--I share some of it--but let's not pretend Trump doesn't deserve some derision too. You say Cruz takes the side of those who would limit free speech by violence and intimidation. Yet wasn't it Trump who threatened by force of government to make it easier to go after the press if they print something that isn't favorable to him? Doesn't that seek to limit the first Amendment? And worse he threatens to use government force to do so. Perhaps you see my point.

I'm not blind to what's happening with these leftist goons, and neither is Cruz. For chrissakes he's been fighting against them for half his life. But perhaps he takes pause over a man seeking the most important job in the world telling his followers to punch another man in the face (even if he deserved it). I certainly haven't lost my respect for Cruz over it.

We'll see though in the general election (if Trump is the nominee) how Cruz acts then. Maybe he'll earn some of your respect back...or maybe he'll lose some of mine. Truthfully, I'm ready to just get this shit over with.

P.S. I love you, Joe


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District of Columbia Rep Primary winner: Marco Rubio

very fitting

he gets 10 delegates from 1,059 votes
 
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