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Didn't Iowa go for Huckabee in '08? | |||
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Hey! Someone gets a cookie. Huck over Romney - 34% to 25% | |||
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Until Iowans stop taking Corn subsidies I don't care what they think as many of their votes have been bought and paid for, lovers of uncle sugar's teat under the guise of Americana. | |||
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Do you think Trump will play as well in the general election as he's been doing early in the primary campaign (early being defined as before any primaries actually take place.) Trump has gotten to this point by feeding hard core conservatives red meat, and in large quantities. Once this is no longer about just the conservatives, do you really think this is going to work? While it doesn't show up in Republican primary polls, he's pissing a lot of people off. That may very well assert itself in the general election.
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I will admit I'm not all in on Trump as some here are. Would I vote for him? Damn right I would but I feel he's a complete wild card from top to bottom. No one here can even begin to predict what a actual Trump presidency would look like or would do. Cruz is the thinking mans Trump. They are not that much different when it comes to ideology but Cruz has the ability to know how to implement his ideology. A Trump/Hillary debate would be epic from a ratings and entertainment standpoint but I think she would shred him. He's getting through the debates now because he is shielded by the numbers on stage. Cruz on the other hand would be Hillary's worst debate nightmare. This thread started 140 pages ago with Trump is a first rate ass clown but he is serving his purpose by starting discussions that never would have been started without him. I still believe this to be true. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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BBMW and lastmanstanding, Cruz is a smart man but Trump is no wild card. Not with his poll numbers. Cruz' debate skills going back to college are legendary. However, just because you are smart and kick ass in a debate doesn't mean you will win over the undecided. Remember, there is no correlation between intelligence and leadership skills. IMO, Romney beat BO in the debates but no one was swayed. Romney was more presidential but no one knows what that means anymore. McCain smoked BO back in '08 but no one cared. Foreign policy and economics were way over the Kenyan's head but the voters didn't care. Bush was pathetic in his foreign policy debates but it didn't keep him out of the White House. (Imagine 9/11 if Gore was in office) I was big on Trump not from this year but from his I-think-I-may-run campaign from last time. I use to listen to the Mike Savage interviews with him. Not bombastic at all. That (and his construction projects) tell me he is very organized, intelligent, a leader, a negotiator, and a closer. Cruz will make a good VP. | |||
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Much is being made of the fact that Cruz is beating Trump in Iowa. Iowa is way over-rated, with over-representation of evangelicals. Last time, Iowa went strongly for Santorum. And we know what a strong contender Santorum was.... ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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I spent half my life in Atlantic City (AC), so I'm somewhat acquainted with The Donald. When we left AC, I was thrilled that I'd no longer have to hear his name every day. Then, The Apprentice happened, and it was like I couldn't escape the guy. Now this.  Anyway, Trump's rep in AC isn't very good. Not sure that matters, AC's rep isn't very good, either. I remember running into him in his hotels. I actually worked at the Taj Mahal for a while. He was always surrounded by a group of yes-men. But he had this aura about him. I guess being the owner does that for you. I have a personal thank-you letter from him, which I won't go into. But it was unexpected, not at all required, and quite gracious. So, I'm not surprised that there are people who think highly of him because he seems to know how to behave like a gentleman when it suits him. I do think Trump has above-average intelligence, but he's not so brilliant as he claims, which is why he keeps trying to convince us that he is. It's not debatable that he's quite good at the real estate business. I'm not sure whether that translates into making him a good president. I do wish he'd be more careful with his speech. He could make the same points he makes now, just a bit more artfully, and he wouldn't leave himself open to attack. Chris Christie actually does this very well. Read his interview with Jeff Goldberg in The Atlantic. Now, I know that he gets an advantage (many) by being attacked, and maybe he's crazy like a fox. But at some point, there's going to be a general election, I'm not confident that this approach is going to work with the larger electorate. | |||
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Much of what you say is true PD with the exception of Romney in the debates. Romney cleaned Obama's clock in the first debate but failed to follow up on his victory. He missed the opportunity to call out Obama and Crowley on a national television stage when he realized he was set up by Obama asking Crowley for the transcript. Everyone watching knew it was a set up the moment it happened and so did Romney. He didn't have the killer instinct so he got killed, right then and there. How different things may have turned out had he called them out right then and there by asking why Crowley would have any of Obama's transcripts at her ready during a open debate that would support Obama's position on a question he wasn't supposed to know was even coming. Personally I think the presidential debates this time around will be absolutely critical. As far as Trump and this campaign goes I guess we are all just along for the ride as of now and we will wait and see. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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There is no way you can compare Cruz to Santorum. If Cruz wins Iowa it's not a throw away win like you think. Tuesday will be interesting because Trump doesn't like anyone getting close to his yard. I hope they don't start going at it because it would only open the door for a Christie or Rubio. | |||
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Goes to show everybody that nice guys finish last in this business and you do need an alpha-male in the White House. No doubt Cruz would smoke Hillary in a debate but I think Hillary could smoke Cruz in the general election even if she's under indictment. | |||
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Some Trump supporters are using the establishment "the other guy can't win in the general" line? Seriously? Both can win. | |||
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What evidence do you have to think Cruz could beat Hillary in the general? Not 'should be able to', but can... What is your confidence based upon? | |||
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What do you base this on? The polling numbers do not support you assertion. 10 months may as well be 10 light years in politics but the GOP has done nothing nor said anything that would lead one to believe they can take on a democrat in a presidential election. Trump is your ONLY chance to take on Hillary. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
Seriously. Beyond wishful thinking, I see nothing to suggest otherwise. Not in the news, not when talking to all manner of folks, not even here. | |||
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The sounds of artillery rounds going off between Cruz and Trump can be heard in the not too far distance. This is a mistake imo for these two to attack each other. They have a good deal of crossover support and one or the other could greatly enhance the others chances by an endorsement should one of them need to do so. So here is where Trump is a wild card. I doubt he would see the sound reasoning in endorsing Cruz or anyone else for that matter if the need arises. Cruz would. If things get too nasty between them it's going to make any endorsement down the road very hard for the voter to take seriously. Trump is in this to be president and nothing less. If things don't go his way he will run as a independent and find a way to justify doing so. That's the wild card which will have disastrous results. I agree with the sentiment that Trump will not do as well with the general electorate and I do not think he is the only one that can beat Hillary. Hillary can be artfully and intelligently dismantled and with her baggage it wouldn't be that hard. If 8 months from now all we got is Trump calling Hillary stupid and ugly we are in deep shit. If Trump wins the nomination I'm fine with that but the man better take a crash course in damn near everything because he's pretty damn clunky in a lot of areas and when it gets down it we are going to need more than clunky. A lot more. "Fixed fortifications are monuments to mans stupidity" - George S. Patton | |||
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Cruz has gained substantially in the polls against Clinton. Because he's losing by 2 points in a USA Today poll or 3 points in the CNN (11 months away) he has no shot? Click on the Trump vs Clinton polls and you'll see that Cruz looks the same if not slightly better. It just means both can beat her. http://www.realclearpolitics.c...vs_clinton-4034.html The establishment is saying the same thing you are about Trump and I don't buy that either. I like Cruz a lot more, but Trump is my second choice by a long shot. Again, both can win.
This is my concern as well. Both have gotten to this point by not going after each other. The establishment wants nothing more than to see them go at each other. | |||
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Word.
The problem is that he doesn't think he needs a crash course. He sees his current success as incontrovertible evidence that he's brilliant and everyone else is a moron. He's surrounded by sycophants all the time, so no one will tell him that he needs schooling, they'll just keep telling him what a genius he is. But what he *is* good at is adjusting as he goes. I'm just not confident that the election cycle is long enough for him to self-learn everything he needs to. | |||
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Trump and Cruz were all lovey-dovey a while back. I hope the rumblings between the two camps are political theater and not war. I think the two together can wipe out the rest of the GOP field. Killing each other will serve no purpose. | |||
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| Cursed be he who moves my bones! |
Remember the whole, "You have to go after their families," thing? I'm pretty sure he got that from the Facebook meme going around about how the Russians allegedly handled a terrorist kidnapping, years ago. | |||
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