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Originally posted by Ackks:
Or...the best way to control them is to not give them power. Romney is irrelevant, so why even elevate him to the national level again? His instincts were that Hillary was a better choice. I don't want someone like that having anything to do with our foreign policy.

Picking between Bolton and Romney should be an easy choice for him.

No offense, and I do not mean this in a snarky way, but I'm gonna go ahead and trust the judgement of the guy who has built a multi-billion dollar business building projects in some of the most business-unfriendly cities and states in the country, as well as some of the most business-unfriendly countries in the world. He then went into a field in which he has zero experience and beat 15 candidates, some outsiders, some of the most connected insiders in the party. Then he took on the democrat machine and candidate who was expected to be coronated and backed by a media that moved from being biased to being openly hostile and beat her handily. I'd say he probably has a good idea on how to judge people, how to use them to his advantage and how to get things done.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
say he probably has a good idea on how to judge people, how to use them to his advantage and how to get things done.

That is one of the most important developments in our getting to know Trump. He has a knack for sizing people up, relatively quickly and accurately, and plugging them in as he needs them. As they sometimes say around here, he can tell the clowns from the cowboys without a scorecard.

I think I wrote about this earlier. J.P. Morgan was reputed to be superb at this.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
That article is indeed at odds from everything we've been hearing though, that hardly any Latinos will vote for Trump (besides Cubans).

According to the articles I've read that cite exit polls, 27% of Latinos voted for Donald Trump.

Donald Trump got a higher percentage of the Latino and Black vote than Mitt Romney did in 2012.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
No offense, and I do not mean this in a snarky way, but I'm gonna go ahead and trust the judgement of the guy who has built a multi-billion dollar business building projects in some of the most business-unfriendly cities and states in the country, as well as some of the most business-unfriendly countries in the world. He then went into a field in which he has zero experience and beat 15 candidates, some outsiders, some of the most connected insiders in the party. Then he took on the democrat machine and candidate who was expected to be coronated and backed by a media that moved from being biased to being openly hostile and beat her handily. I'd say he probably has a good idea on how to judge people, how to use them to his advantage and how to get things done.

It's really hard to argue with results, although the Liberals sure are trying.

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No offense, and I do not mean this in a snarky way, but I'm gonna go ahead and trust the judgement of the guy who has built a multi-billion dollar business building projects in some of the most business-unfriendly cities and states in the country, as well as some of the most business-unfriendly countries in the world. He then went into a field in which he has zero experience and beat 15 candidates, some outsiders, some of the most connected insiders in the party. Then he took on the democrat machine and candidate who was expected to be coronated and backed by a media that moved from being biased to being openly hostile and beat her handily. I'd say he probably has a good idea on how to judge people, how to use them to his advantage and how to get things done.

No offense, but nothing you just said has anything to do with sticking to conservative principles and taking on the establishment. Romney is not only a major part of the GOP establishment, but again, his instincts were that Hillary was a better choice. He wouldn't be coming in to be Trump's puppet and he's one of the last people I want pushing policy.

Trump has proven he can get elected, but we are still waiting to see if he will stay true to the conservative principles he's adopted over the last two years. My money is on that he has changed, but the last thing I want is RINOs and establishment people in his administration pushing him back the other way. Pence and Sessions are the types of people he needs around him and I see no need to dilute their voices with people like Romney. There are enough choices out there who can get things done without having to bring in someone like him.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

No offense, but nothing you just said has anything to do with sticking to conservative principles and taking on the establishment. Romney is not only a major part of the GOP establishment, but again, his instincts were that Hillary was a better choice. He wouldn't be coming in to be Trump's puppet and he's one of the last people I want pushing policy.

Trump has proven he can get elected, but we are still waiting to see if he will stay true to the conservative principles he's adopted over the last two years. My money is on that he has changed, but the last thing I want is RINOs and establishment people in his administration pushing him back the other way. Pence and Sessions are the types of people he needs around him and I see no need to dilute their voices with people like Romney.

You are going to be very disappointed. Trump is not an ideologue and not a policy wonk. He is a do-er and a deal guy. If he can bring Chuck Schumer in his office and schmooze him into getting something he wants, he will wine and dine, pat him on the back for the cameras, whatever he needs to do to get what he wants done. I don't think he will isolate himself in the White House like Obama did - that proved to be a very ineffective strategy. Obama has passed no legislation since ObamaCare - a complete disaster.

This is not to say he's not going to make any mistakes or mis-steps, but he has proven that when he does, he cleans up the mess and moves on.

From a business perspective and even strategy from Sun-Tzu perspective it makes perfect sense to keep rivals close and under control.

It may very well be an excellent presidency, but with the likes of Priebus, Ryan, and Romney taking part it quite likely won't be anti establishment in any real way, unless of course you think Trump is also capable of turning those men into something they aren't.

I'm still plenty hopeful, and delighted it's not Hillary, but would prefer more of a definitive anti establishment slant, and that seems to be going by the wayside already. Not the worst thing in the world, but such things are a bit of a surprise and a subtle change in direction.

To Trump's credit, his eye seems focused on the broader goal of simply getting shit done rather than constantly battling establishment wonks, so I get it, he's pulling them close, making deals, rather than taking a hardline stance against those fucks.

I trust him, but I'd rather see those sorts of folks run out of town, with pitchforks...

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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No offense, and I do not mean this in a snarky way, but I'm gonna go ahead and trust the judgement of the guy who has built a multi-billion dollar business building projects in some of the most business-unfriendly cities and states in the country, as well as some of the most business-unfriendly countries in the world. He then went into a field in which he has zero experience and beat 15 candidates, some outsiders, some of the most connected insiders in the party. Then he took on the democrat machine and candidate who was expected to be coronated and backed by a media that moved from being biased to being openly hostile and beat her handily. I'd say he probably has a good idea on how to judge people, how to use them to his advantage and how to get things done.

No offense, but nothing you just said has anything to do with sticking to conservative principles and taking on the establishment. Romney is not only a major part of the GOP establishment, but again, his instincts were that Hillary was a better choice. He wouldn't be coming in to be Trump's puppet and he's one of the last people I want pushing policy.

Trump has proven he can get elected, but we are still waiting to see if he will stay true to the conservative principles he's adopted over the last two years. My money is on that he has changed, but the last thing I want is RINOs and establishment people in his administration pushing him back the other way. Pence and Sessions are the types of people he needs around him and I see no need to dilute their voices with people like Romney. There are enough choices out there who can get things done without having to bring in someone like him.

But consider this. We can all agree that Romney is an expert manager; he's a turn around artist as I heard someone on TV say. What if Trump ( President-Elect Trump that is) were to put him in charge of something like the VA which desperately needs an overhaul. Romney's abilities would be uniquely beneficial to this department and consequently to all veterans.

After Romney's behavior this election, it's difficult to forgive him, but I still have no doubt that he's at heart a good man who would put everything he had into that job for the sake of our country and the men and women who sacrifice to protect it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
That article is indeed at odds from everything we've been hearing though, that hardly any Latinos will vote for Trump (besides Cubans).

Not to parse too much, but there is a difference between openly supporting Trump, and openly supporting his immigration stance.

I have a number of hispanic friends and business acquaintances, and I can't think of a single one of them that doesn't support shutting off illegal immigration and getting a handle on all of those here illegally.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
What if Trump ( President-Elect Trump that is) were to put him in charge of something like the VA which desperately needs an overhaul. Romney's abilities would be uniquely beneficial to this department and consequently to all veterans.

'Or', because he pledged to repeal BarryCare and replace it with something that works, how about they move to close the VA completely, and move our veterans into the private healthcare market allowing them to manage their own care. How about that for a 'big' picture idea? Kill two birds with one stone.

Ackks, bruh man, you have been heard. Here's the deal- We, The Faithful, have just been through a battle that lasted almost a year and a half. For those of us who really care about this country, it was quite stressful and seemed like it would never end, and everyone was telling us that Donald Trump would lose, which means Hillary Clinton would win.

We have just avoided a complete disaster, and we are relieved, overjoyed, and fatigued.

That being the case- speaking personally and I know for quite a substantial portion of our members, we just don't want to listen to people second-guessing the man. Let's try to give him a chance.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
What if Trump ( President-Elect Trump that is) were to put him in charge of something like the VA which desperately needs an overhaul. Romney's abilities would be uniquely beneficial to this department and consequently to all veterans.

'Or', because he pledged to repeal BarryCare and replace it with something that works, how about they move to close the VA completely, and move our veterans into the private healthcare market allowing them to manage their own care. How about that for a 'big' picture idea? Kill two birds with one stone.

That's fine but there are like seven birds that need killin so we'll need 3.5 stones.

Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

"This is not to say he's not going to make any mistakes or mis-steps, but he has proven that when he does, he cleans up the mess and moves on."

I agree with your points BamaJeepster. DJT is going to be goal oriented. How else to describe a person who works +16 hour days. I don't think ideology of any type plays a role in his picks. I'd think he owes much of his success from picking the right people for the job. If DJT chooses Romney or anyone else for that matter, & he underperforms, heads will roll. Won't that be a change from current administrations.



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Originally posted by David W:

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Originally posted by skyline009:
Well even captain america is anti Trump, no more movie from this stupid ass will be allow into my house.

Chris Evans is anti gun, he has been dead to me since then. I pretty much hate all celebs except Tom Selleck and Clint Eastwood.

Don't exclude John Voight and Gary Sinese.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

But consider this. We can all agree that Romney is an expert manager; he's a turn around artist as I heard someone on TV say. What if Trump ( President-Elect Trump that is) were to put him in charge of something like the VA which desperately needs an overhaul. Romney's abilities would be uniquely beneficial to this department and consequently to all veterans.

After Romney's behavior this election, it's difficult to forgive him, but I still have no doubt that he's at heart a good man who would put everything he had into that job for the sake of our country and the men and women who sacrifice to protect it.

Agreed. Why not pull him into the fold and leverage his skills?
Staying butt-hurt won't get the job done.

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by David W:

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Originally posted by skyline009:
Well even captain america is anti Trump, no more movie from this stupid ass will be allow into my house.

Chris Evans is anti gun, he has been dead to me since then. I pretty much hate all celebs except Tom Selleck and Clint Eastwood.

Don't exclude John Voight and Gary Sinese.

And heck don't forget Nick Searcy either!

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Originally posted by 46and2:
It may very well be an excellent presidency, but with the likes of Priebus, Ryan, and Romney taking part it quite likely won't be anti establishment in any real way, unless of course you think Trump is also capable of turning those men into something they aren't.

I would suggest you have that backwards. Do you think Priebus, Romney, et.al. are capable of turning Trump into something he isn't. Remember, Trump is the boss. Their job is to carry out his agenda, not theirs. And, Trump certainly knows how to fire people, but he is also a deal maker. The big question for me and many others remains what exactly are his principals, and how malleable are they?

I think you have him read correctly.

In that spirit, I remember Reagan was famous for having drinks with Tip O'Neill after 5pm. They supposedly put aside partisanship after hours and built a relationship of mutual respect.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Ackks:

No offense, but nothing you just said has anything to do with sticking to conservative principles and taking on the establishment. Romney is not only a major part of the GOP establishment, but again, his instincts were that Hillary was a better choice. He wouldn't be coming in to be Trump's puppet and he's one of the last people I want pushing policy.

Trump has proven he can get elected, but we are still waiting to see if he will stay true to the conservative principles he's adopted over the last two years. My money is on that he has changed, but the last thing I want is RINOs and establishment people in his administration pushing him back the other way. Pence and Sessions are the types of people he needs around him and I see no need to dilute their voices with people like Romney.

You are going to be very disappointed. Trump is not an ideologue and not a policy wonk. He is a do-er and a deal guy. If he can bring Chuck Schumer in his office and schmooze him into getting something he wants, he will wine and dine, pat him on the back for the cameras, whatever he needs to do to get what he wants done. I don't think he will isolate himself in the White House like Obama did - that proved to be a very ineffective strategy. Obama has passed no legislation since ObamaCare - a complete disaster.

This is not to say he's not going to make any mistakes or mis-steps, but he has proven that when he does, he cleans up the mess and moves on.

From a business perspective and even strategy from Sun-Tzu perspective it makes perfect sense to keep rivals close and under control.

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sdy
wishing we
were congress
posted November 17, 2016 03:05 PM

Hell, if you can't be optimistic now, when could you ever be optimistic ?

One of the best lines of this great thread.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
I trust him, but I'd rather see those sorts of folks run out of town, with pitchforks...

That's a kinder, gentler approach than the "Either boil them in oil or tar and feather them, then run them out of town on a rail." approach I was thinking of. :-)

Still, as much as I would like to see BJ's wife (and BJ) investigated, tried, and locked up for a long time for their corrupt dealings, I believe it is a much better strategy to be conciliatory now and move on with getting things done.

Now, this is no reason that the DOJ and FBI shouldn't continue investigating, and if at some point down the road (hopefully enough for some of the dust to settle, but not too far) the AG decides that the evidence requires him to appoint an independent prosecutor... Well, that is even better. At that point, Mr President might state that he believes in hiring quality people and letting them do their jobs, and he has full confidence in the AG and trusts that whoever the AG appoints will do a fair, honest, and complete job.