This election was really close.

A number of reports are out that 107,000 votes in PA, WI, and MI made the difference.

From what I calculated the number is actually about 57,000.

Because PA, WI, and MI are so close, if just over half the Trump margin in those states had voted for Clinton, Clinton would have won.

That is only .05% of the 120,000,000 that voted.

In all those states, the third party votes were much bigger than the Trump victory margin.

This election was a text book example of why you shouldn't throw your vote away on third parties. (Unless you are a Democrat of course)

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Originally posted by ryan81986:
This video is great. It shows the people who said Trump would never be president, and throws it back in their faces.


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Is there a youtube of that to share?

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Originally posted by wcb6092:

Love it!...

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Hey, we did break the glass ceiling in this election:

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She was excellent when she went on the Bill Maher show. They all ganged up on her and she held her ground and explained why they were going to win. Had to respect her going into the lion's den.

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Originally posted by Tubetone:
I suppose that pushing the idea that your candidate is winning in politics is multifaceted.

This is something I’ve often wondered about. Many people see all sorts of sinister plots in the obvious fact that political polls are so flawed, but then they swing back and forth between believing that they’re accurate or inaccurate and believing why they’re not accurate depending on whether they like what they’re hearing. That’s part of what keeps polls going—and perhaps the only reason. The motives behind promoting or not promoting what the political polls say, though, are difficult to fathom because I believe they will always be a double-edged sword: Does the belief that my candidate is winning encourage or discourage me from proselytizing, making contributions, or even voting? Can a poll claim cause me to change sides? “All those people support X, so I should too,” or “Those worthless, radical people are supporting Y, so I’m certainly not going to.”

If I can’t answer those questions about how they might influence me, how can they be answered for the masses?

When I say influence me, I am of course making a rhetorical statement because like other intelligent, informed people I know enough not to be influenced by pollsters’ claims. Even if I believed their results (and no thinking person would these days), they wouldn’t influence my political actions (well, not much anyway …).

I believe that the major polling companies are unlikely to deliberately falsify the results of their polls. Once again they have taken a beating over their manifest inaccuracies and how does that benefit them? Once again articles are appearing in everything from the popular press to respected scientific journals pointing out how poorly polls predicted the results of this election, and that can only cast doubt on their value. Sure, pollsters could be bribed to fudge the results, but they run the risk that sooner or later that’s going to catch up with them. It’s also like saying that Colt would agree to falsely claim that their guns are capable of only 3 MOA accuracy when in fact they average 2 MOA groups. And to reiterate, there may not even be a clear benefit to slanting results either for or against a particular candidate.

The real problem with polls, and political polls in particular, is how their data is collected. Polling a small sample of people out of a large population can be fine. I don’t have to chronograph every round to obtain the average velocity for a particular load. There are elaborate statistical rules for the sizes of samples necessary for different tests and examinations, and pollsters try to follow them because they want their results to be accurate. The requirement for any statistical test, though, is that the sample reflect the characteristics of the whole. When testing a handload, that’s easy: Just use the same brass, powder type and charge, primer, and bullet for the entire whole; and when testing, fire all the test shots under identical conditions.

Finding samples of people who reflect the “average” of a population, though, is vastly more difficult. Furthermore, some people actually lie to poll-takers. A cartridge can’t pretend to produce 100 fps greater velocity, but I can claim to be a Clinton supporter who doesn’t plan to vote, and that sort of thing is becoming more common all the time as people push back against being called at all hours to reveal their personal opinions.

Michigan may be a while.

Heads up: There is an important error in this report. At one point it says

"Trump would not prevail in the electoral college even if he won Arizona and those two states"

That statement should read:

" Clinton would not prevail in the electoral college even if she won Arizona and those two states"


http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/...win-hillary-clinton/

A spokesman for the Secretary of State’s office in Michigan told Heavy that office has “no reason to believe” there are “significant” numbers of votes somehow unaccounted for. However, Trump’s lead is slender: He has a 13,107 vote lead over Hillary Clinton in Michigan, according to the latest totals from the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office.

The reason many news organizations are hedging in declaring Trump the Michigan victor: The Associated Press has yet to call the race for Trump, and many news organizations follow the lead of the AP

The Michigan votes will now go through a canvassing system. The New York Times has a county-by-county listing of election results. As of November 11, the Times was giving Trump a 92 percent chance of winning Michigan; the results currently list Trump as receiving 47.6% of the vote and Clinton 47.3%.

Fred Woodhams, the spokesman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s office, told Heavy, “We have no reason to believe that there are significant numbers of votes that are unaccounted for. All cities and townships in the state (1,500 of them) have reported unofficial vote totals.” He said that no recount has been requested because recounts are filed after certified results are available, not unofficial tallies.

As of November 11, the Secretary of State in Michigan was reporting the following totals:

Trump: 2,277,914
Clinton: 2,264,807
Johnson: 172,726
Stein: 51,420
Castle: 16,125
Soltysik: 2,231

The Trump victory is too large to trigger an automatic recount in Michigan. A margin of under 2,000 votes triggers an automatic recount in Michigan, but candidates can seek a recount even if the margin is larger

Woodhams told Heavy: “It’s not for the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office to get involved in when national media outlets ‘call’ a state.

At this time, county boards of canvassers are verifying election results and will certify them. At the end of the month , the Michigan Board of State Canvassers will certify the results after the county boards complete their work. At that point, election results will be final .”

Asked whether he expected the results to change substantially, he responded, “No, but in every election small vote shifts occur during the canvassing process.”

I guess now I will reveal my bleeding heart.

I find it hard to watch the crying youngsters on election night. They are so crushed and in despair. It really breaks my heart.

But I know that it is not us who caused their tears and despair. It the demons who brainwashed them and indoctrinated them. The college student who is 21 now was only 13 when Obama took office. Not even old enough to drive or really begin to make financial decisions, or decide about guns and safety. Raised by liberal or middle-of-the-road parents (as opposed to most of you guys), they went to public school and were indoctrinated. Then college took over. Liberal friends and a lying media completed the job.

I feel for them and take no pleasure in their pain because I believe their pain is real. I am angry that they have been used in this fashion by the liberal elite. That is who I blame, and take pleasure in watching their butthurt. The ones who were old enough to know better. The ones who BY CHOICE followed the media and liberals, even when other viewpoints and information were readily available to them. And their leaders, the people who knowingly molded these kids into the useful idiots--well, they can go to hell.

I am not going to be mean to the kids, or gloat. I have not gloated on my FB. I have to my like-minded friends, yes--I am not made of stone, after all.

I would like to take them by the hand, and introduce them to the politics of the gun. That is how I became a conservative voter for the past few years. In my research about guns, I have learned about the Constitution and what it means. How to protect my gun rights, and why they are important to the country. The politics of the gun are the politics of a free Republic.

None of that means I am going to tolerate any bullshit. I don't regret my vote. I made the only choice I could for the country's future. I'll be gentle with the youngsters, should the opportunity arise. But any of the others will find out that I am a mean, unforgiving bitch should they start with me.

And now, back to gloating with my like-minded friends. And dancing in the kitchen while the Keurig makes my coffee.

I would like to see Ann Coulter as Press Secretary. It would be verrry entertaining.

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Originally posted by clipper1:
I would like to see Ann Coulter as Press Secretary. It would be verrry entertaining.

Let's start a petition! let me just contact moveon.org.....oh wait.

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Originally posted by sdy:
This election was really close.

A number of reports are out that 107,000 votes in PA, WI, and MI made the difference.

From what I calculated the number is actually about 57,000.

Because PA, WI, and MI are so close, if just over half the Trump margin in those states had voted for Clinton, Clinton would have won.

That is only .05% of the 120,000,000 that voted.

In all those states, the third party votes were much bigger than the Trump victory margin.

This election was a text book example of why you shouldn't throw your vote away on third parties. (Unless you are a Democrat of course)

Well, at least it wasn't hanging chad close.

It will be interesting to see what Trump does to improve the Republican brand to voters. If he delivers across Democrat lines by achieving things that benefit all Americans, that would be powerful. Maybe our elections will not be so close in the future.

For instance, could you imagine the result if Trump delivers on his inner city renewal aspirations and all those black Americans who parked their vote in this election came out to support a Trump reelection bid?

I truly hope Trump and the team are successful in raising the water for each and every boat. There are many who are taking a wait and see attitude in my view. If Trump's team achieves, he will change the numbers next time regardless of his label.

For as many times as Trump has been declared politically dead, the country is starting to believe in zombies. If he leads a team to more victories in the coming years, we just might see a new electoral map.

If the Republicans garner more support in the big cities under Republican federal leadership, the Democrat's vote harvesting program will have lost its grip.

By the way, #nevertrump seems to smell badly of failure too so success against those ninnies will lessen their vote suppression in the future as well. Trump showed that he could win despite not having their sacred blessing but it would be nice to have those voters back to do something useful rather than throwing their votes away on bow tie games. The never-Trumpers sure showed Trump who's boss.

Now, this is funny, I don't care who you are. Get 'er done.

Very nice Paragon, I feel similar to you.

Thank You.

I had to explain to my students the pendulum swing from Liberal (D) to a more conservative (R) candidate and how it is their job in the next 8 years to get smarter and start asking what weren't you told by the media.

To the adults that passed a redundant gun control proposition, I'll be writing a letter to President Trump after Jan, 21st to ask for help fighting my rights from being infringed.

Back to the Keurig for me too.

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If he delivers across Democrat lines by achieving things that benefit all Americans, that would be powerful.

The Democrats absolute worst nightmare.

I completely agree this is the long range answer that will break the back of the Democrat shift to a special interest dominated voter base.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Obama is in office for two more months. He is obligated- under the Constitution, to quell any such disturbances. You know, right, Barry? It's all about that "peaceful transition of power" you keep telling us about, as if you're doing us all a favor.

So, 67 or so days more of Obama. If Obama really wants a legacy, all he needs to do is nothing at all while D.C. burns during a presidential inauguration.

Yeah, that damned old dusty piece of paper keeps getting in the way of your vision, Barry. What a drag.

It seemed unimaginable that the old dusty reading material would be ever read again without distorting the meaning.
Let's start with the 1st Amendment, it does not mean you can block the streets preventing others right to travel. It does not mean you can break store windows take others property and burn things when a thug is cleansed from society. Freedom of speech gives you the right to climb on your soapbox and profess your views in a park or other public area. Note that has limitations, you do not have the right to encite a riot from your soapbox.

I could go on and on, but am so thankful that those old dusty documents will be dusted off in January.

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some people were even identified for "safe" talk by having a diaper pin attached to their lapel.

ah yes, a popular form of 'communication by vaguely defined symbols'....my own school experienced a flurry of that in the 6th grade, circa 1957

kimber1911

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It seemed unimaginable that the old dusty reading material would be ever read again without distorting the meaning.
Let's start with the 1st Amendment, it does not mean you can block the streets preventing others right to travel. It does not mean you can break store windows take others property and burn things when a thug is cleansed from society. Freedom of speech gives you the right to climb on your soapbox and profess your views in a park or other public area. Note that has limitations, you do not have the right to encite a riot from your soapbox.

I could go on and on, but am so thankful that those old dusty documents will be dusted off in January.

Very true.Just like the 2nd amendment does not allow you to shoot people,or property because you disagree with their views

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Yes, I would like to know if Bill Maher has yet scheduled Ann Coulter on his show since the election. Perhaps Bill will think it a hoot to play that clip from June '15.

Bill Maher of course razzed and insulted Trump at the beginning of his show post election. But changes his tune in his panel section:

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“He won. He ran a vicious, vulgar campaign and I gave it back exactly in measure—I was also vicious and vulgar—but he won. And he did it his way. Nobody gets to sing that song more than Donald Trump. Everybody told him he couldn’t do this, he couldn’t do that—and he won. He did the hardest thing in the entire world to do: win the election as the leader of the free world,” Maher confessed.

If that weren’t enough, Maher then seemed to hint at his desire to have Trump come on Real Time (because ratings): “And it took me eight years to get Obama on—maybe he’ll come on,” said a defeated Maher.
Then, more Trump adulation: “I was watching 60 Minutes and one of his fellow reality show contestants—I mean hosts—Kim Kardashian was on, and they asked her the typical question, you know, about: Well, you don’t really have any talent… but you seem to be worth, like, $300 million. And she said, Well, I guess that takes some sort of talent. I would say the same about Donald Trump: it takes some sort of talent. Maybe we should recognize that because we lost.”

Later on, Maher went after the people around the country who have taken to the streets to protest the election of Trump.

“What do you think about the people now who are out there saying, Not my president? Because I scolded the other side when they did that when Obama took over, and that’s not my motto,” said Maher. “You know what? The time to rectify that was Tuesday. Either leave the country, or if you’re an American, [realize] we only get one president.”

link

already happening

WSJ:

A sweeping Pacific trade pact meant to bind the U.S.and Asia effectively died Friday, as Republican and Democratic leaders in Congress told the White House they won’t advance it in the election’s aftermath , and Obama administration officials acknowledged it has no way forward now.

The failure to pass the 12-nation Trans-Pacific Partnership—by far the biggest trade agreement in more than a decade—is a bitter defeat for President Barack Obama

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Originally posted by RobertFBurnett:
Very nice Paragon, I feel similar to you.

Thank You.

I had to explain to my students the pendulum swing from Liberal (D) to a more conservative (R) candidate and how it is their job in the next 8 years to get smarter and start asking what weren't you told by the media.

To the adults that passed a redundant gun control proposition, I'll be writing a letter to President Trump after Jan, 21st to ask for help fighting my rights from being infringed.

Back to the Keurig for me too.

Out of curiosity, what and at what level do you teach. I see valley area of CA in your profile. Im just interested in what you see coming back at you from your students.

Thanks for inviting them to use their minds.

Play the Video

he tells it like it is. this was sent to me this a.m.

https://www.facebook.com/Laughadam/?hc_ref=SEARCH

as an aside, I do not believe the number of vote attained by Cankles were legitimate. I have always believed that Trump would have to win by a Yuge amount to overcome all of the ballot stuffing, and he surely did!