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| Be not wise in thine own eyes  |
At about 36:00 of this video the Capitol Police ask for the Twitter guy’s ID. I am a bit less trusting of Law Enforcement now that we seemingly have drifted fully into cancel culture and two tiers of justice. With the focus on targeting conservatives by politicians and the media I am a bit leery of motive. Law Enforcement has been used to enforce rules handed down by Governor Dictators, so I don’t think it is beyond reason to question how your ID may be used against you in the future. Not so sure I would want to give an officer my ID if I have done nothing wrong considering how corrupt our government has become. Not as concerned with an individual officer, as I am to possible abuse of a database where your name would be entered. What if he had not given the officer his ID? What would have happened then? Beyond my question, it is interesting to see in the video what D.C. looks like today. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | ||
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If you’re on foot or in public, Some states have what are called “Stop and Identify” statutes that require someone suspected of criminal activity to provide identification to police, making refusal a crime. ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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| An investment in knowledge pays the best interest |
Walking around on public land isn't criminal and the U.S. isn't Nazi Germany or a Commie State. I/You/We are not required to carry papers or present such. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I find it disgusting, disgraceful, and just downright embarrassing to see the the US Capitol barricaded like that from the American people. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Help! Help! I'm being repressed!  |
^^^Agreed! | |||
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| You're going to feel a little pressure... |
Show your papers or go to jail, according to the Hiibel case: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...rict_Court_of_Nevada Bruce "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them. If that means sticking all sort of spikes and prongs and blackened bits all over it then so be it. This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with." -Douglas Adams “It is just as difficult and dangerous to try to free a people that wants to remain servile as it is to try to enslave a people that wants to remain free." -Niccolo Machiavelli The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. -Mencken | |||
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The Unmanned Writer |
Yea, I'm watching the series. It's titled The Handmaids Tale. Also reading the book. It's titled Animal Farm. Not sure if my entertainment is fiction, history or, prophecy. Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
You mean The Handmaid's Tale? And, the same titled book? | |||
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| The Unmanned Writer |
Yes. Just started season.2 Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it. "If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own... | |||
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Giftedly Outspoken |
The law varies from state to state. I live in PA and we aren't a stop and ID state. We don't have to provide it if detained but can't be held longer while they try to figure out who you are. I try to show respect to law enforcement at all times but the idea of law enforcement using my info in some form of database also concerns me. Same goes that if a crime did occur in an area and the only name they have on file is mine, guess who the #1 suspect is? No thanks. Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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Truth Wins |
Amen _____________ "I enter a swamp as a sacred place—a sanctum sanctorum. There is the strength—the marrow of Nature." - Henry David Thoreau | |||
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Read the Patriot Act.... The White House has been barricaded for years...there are two fences and two sets of security gates you have to go through to get in. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
This is quite an absurd defense of what the Biden Administration is doing. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
I didn’t watch the video. Ask if you are being detained, if no-then walk away. If yes-then give em your ID. Sometimes refusing to ID can lead to resist/obstruct/delay charges on top of whatever charge the officer is thinking of hitting you with. And here’s the thing, do you know all the laws? The officer might be using his city’s ordinances to enforce some archaic BS that’s a left over from Jim Crow laws, local exclusion, secret service perimeter you just walked into etc.....you don’t know. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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| A day late, and a dollar short  |
A "sovereign" citizen has no need to present anyone with ID.  ____________________________ NRA Life Member, Annual Member GOA, MGO Annual Member | |||
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| Cruising the Highway to Hell  |
As my grandmother used to say. "Choose your battles wisely" “Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves.” ― Ronald Reagan Retired old fart | |||
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This. You don't know, what you don't know. In areas that have experienced a rash of crimes, vehicle burglaries, for example, laws that the public knows little about can be helpful to law enforcement in stopping and/or solving major crimes. A simple jay walking or bicycle violation can turn up a person refusing to provide ID. Upon arrest, that person is found with several cell phone chargers, loose change, and often a handgun; all usually from unlocked cars. The vehicle burglary and stolen handgun will get reported when the owner leaves for work and finds their unlocked car ransacked. In an area like DC, in today's environment, I can understand how such laws could be helpful in potentially identifying those plotting civil unrest. To be clear, as MikeinNC stated, if you're certain you have not committed any violations, upon confirming you're not being detained, walk away...this is still America! | |||
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Yes, choose wisely BUT, there is no requirement to carry ID unless engaging in a specific activity requiring one, such as driving. They may ask your name, and you may give it. California is the exception. | |||
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IANAL ... i am generally very respectful of LE if they are investigating a crime -- you may be required to ID yourself not having a physical ID is not a crime (unless you are driving of course...) but some random cop walking up and asking hey buddy what's your name -- no requirement to provide info ... i'm sure there is case law on all this. ----------------------- Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Exactly. The interwebs say that One Weird Trick to avoid ever having to ID yourself is stating that per Admiralty Law you are a Free Traveler on a journey who has divested himself of his corporate shell personage and who does not wish to create joinder with that officer. Seems like a solid legal argument to me. | |||
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