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That clip was a gut buster! I don’t know how either kept a straight face, it’s hilarious. “Mind if I look in your bag? Any drugs in there? Just diet supplements. “. God, hilarious!! I’m still smiling at the questions and the deputy’s calm, caring demeanor. It’s like I’m in an alternate universe. Thanks for that link! Too funny! | |||
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There's a group of people who call themselves "First Amendment Auditors" on Youtoob. These are NOT sovereign citizens. Basically these people film stuff from public areas and generally refuse to give police information when requested, and rightfully so. About 80% of them are trolls, but probably 20% are people that have good understanding of the law. HRK gave an excellent explanation of "Stop and ID" statutes on Page 2. I've watched probably 100 videos of these first amendment auditors over the past year. There is a really intelligent guy on youtoob who has a channel called "Audit the Audit". He basically reviews the first amendment auditor videos and gives his intelligent opinion on what took place. There are many, many examples of police demanding ID because they want it and have no justifiable reason for asking for it. They are used to people just doing what they're told and get quite mad when someone questions their authority. Here's a video of some random dude getting arrested for not giving his ID. He did nothing wrong, but the police officer was not used to people resisting his unlawful order. Yes, demanding an ID when you are not suspected of a crime is an unlawful order. (Again, see HRK's post on page 2). If you have a few hours to kill, I encourage you to search for first amendment auditors on youtoob. Many are trolls, but there's a some good videos...especially Audit the Audit videos. ETA: I am not a cop basher by any stretch of the imagination. Here's another video of someone who gets arrested for "failure to identify". He'll get a big payday. | |||
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Perhaps. Of course over 20 years in that location I had several interactions with cops in incidents ranging from fights in the parking lot, to trespassers, to other false alarms. Notebooks seemed to work for those officers I assume because in all those incidents my position there was the same and I was never asked for my ID. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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You clearly stated my concern, thank you. The fencing, barriers, military and added security infrastructure is clearly a public interest story. Why are the Democrats so concerned with security. Why are the troops still needed. How many soldiers do they have being kept away from their family and jobs. Wow! Look at all the cameras and electronic surveillance. Amazing to see the shuttered businesses and boarded up windows. Yes, that’s all interesting enough in that it compelled someone to put it on Youtube, and I was interested enough to watch it. Perfectly innocent in context, yet the same video taping could be seen as surveillance for a future crime. Why would you want your name in a report as suspiciously taping security around the White House? MikeinNC, provided a great, easy and practical answer. “ Ask if you are being detained, if no-then walk away. If yes-then give em your ID.” The individual thoughts articulated throughout this thread have made for an interesting read. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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Could be. Like I said a couple of posts later down, though, it doesn't really matter if I call your name into dispatch over the radio or write it down on my notepad. Either dispatch is going to enter it now, or I'm going to do on my computer when I go back to my car before I close out the call. Both ways, it gets run through the state system and NCIC. Doing it over the radio just saves me writing and typing, but if dispatch is busy, I'll typically write it in my notebook and do it myself. I'm not doing it because I think your wanted or because I'm trying to take you to jail...I'm doing it because if later your boss calls in and asks my boss who I talked to when I came out, and it's not in there, I'm gonna get called at home, woken up while I'm trying to sleep, and chewed out for not putting it in the call. | |||
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I got hooked on that channel awhile back, and I'm sure I have seen every video Audit the Audit has posted. The water in Washington won't clear up until we get the pigs out of the creek~Senator John Kennedy | |||
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No, you seem pretty worked up to me as well, and you seem pretty bent on convincing everyone else that your opinion is correct. You seem a little condescending about it too. That's just my opinion though. Year V | |||
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To end the encounter no worse than when I began it. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I always treat officers with respect and call them "officer" or "sir". If they want to check my ID, I'd show them. I have never had a problem. They deal with enough crap on a daily basis, and I don't want to add to it. | |||
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Curious, if you were pulled over and they asked to search your car, would you let them? | |||
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I call bullshit on your bullshit. We call in people on the time so they can get added into the CAD as the contact person or something like that. Some dispatchers automatically run people for 29’s and locals even w/o the officer asking them or even wanting them to. Probably the same there too. | |||
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And therein lies the concern. The concern is not necessarily with the officer asking for the ID, it’s a matter of where the information goes from there and how it may be utilized. The individual officer has no control over the information once released into the wild’s of our government bureaucracy. It’s not about showing disrespect to an officer. My concern is not with the officer on the street, it is with the officers, bureaucrats, and officials behind the desks. The YouTuber in my original post most likely has his name associated with surveillance of security at the Capitol. Not a list I would want to be on. Yet if the officers did not ask for his ID, they would likely be on a list that they would not want to be on. This all leads me back to MikeinNC’s great answer. “We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,” Pres. Select, Joe Biden “Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021 | |||
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Raylan Givens once said “if you run into an asshole in the morning, you run into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long, you’re the asshole” These threads border on the ridiculous. Treat people how you want to be treated. It’s pretty simple. | |||
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Damn. I would have been really nice to him and ask him for a ride home. What’s the worst that could happen - he says no? I actually got pulled over on a country road in Iowa about 15 years ago for speeding. I was the only car around (except for the deputy/sheriff). He was traveling the opposite direction when he hit me with the radar. As soon as he pulled the u-turn I pulled over and waited. After the initial license and registration, he went back to his car, ran the plates, etc and came back to my car. Asked if he could sit in the passenger seat while he wrote me up. Of course I said yes. He was very nice and professional, dropped a few MPH off so it wouldn’t get reported back to my home state. I deserved the ticket. | |||
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It doesn’t go into some database at the CIA on the dark side of the moon. If it is ran through that local jurisdiction it stays there. It is not automatically dumped into the NSA. City hall people cannot get into our CAD. They have to ask someone at the PD, sworn, not a non sworn employee or a dispatcher to get it and they better have a very good reason why. And they maybe get a very plain non descript barely nothing. There are also local audits, state, and federal audits for using the databases as well. We just had the state audit. But, yet I have not heard anyone here pitch one bitch about having to give up their Dl/ID to some nurse at some doctor’s office for you annual physical...or the teller at the bank...... hmmmm.. I am more worried about doing that than some cop running my name and DOB. And yes, sometimes nurses and tellers do bad things w/ people’s information..... I know. Can’t believe it!!!! | |||
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Yes, but if a nurse stops you on the street are you going to just give her your information? Assuming she's not cute of course. | |||
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For me? ... comply. Around here, Andy and Barney got better things to do than bust my balls for jollys. They ask for it, I know they have a good reason. | |||
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Friends, it is all in the approach. After seeing someone I felt was suspicious, I would walk up and ask them if they have a second to talk with me. Most people (even criminals) would stop, mainly out of curiosity. Or because they believed they had to. This gave me a chance to size them up (called building probable cause), and help me to determine if they were in fact committing a crime or were wanted. At some point, I would ask if they minded showing me some ID. Claim to have no ID on your person? Odd. Most people carry ID. Well, lets talk more then. And at that point, I ran the wants and warrant check. I had people who told me they did not want to talk with me or show ID. If I had nothing on them, off they went. But I generally did not approach people at all unless I had good reason. Called articulable suspicion. If I was responding to a call or complaint, finding out who is involved is part and parcel to the proper investigation of a complaint. One of my contacts and "can I talk to you for a second" stops went all the way to the State Supreme Court. Ruled in my favor as voluntary consent. And a high number people I stopped to chat with were wanted for one thing or another! End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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Here's my answer to the question, for what it's worth. Since I am proud of who I am and have no reason to hide it, I would gladly give or show my I.D. to an LEO asking for it. Just because you are not obligated to do it is no reason not to. I'm not obligated to hold the door open for an older person or say thank you when shown kindness but I do. My Native American Name: "Runs with Scissors" | |||
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The nurse and doctor doing my annual physical don't have the ability to arrest me and take away my personal freedom. They also typically don't assault someone for refusing to ID, they just send them on their way. I've never been arrested by a bank teller either. Go look at second video that 1967goat posted. They say "we arrested you" then 1 second later they go hands on and basically assault him. No saying "turn around and place your hands behind your back". No saying "you are under arrest". BOOM THEY FRIGGING ASSAULT THE GUY FOR SOMETHING THAT ISN'T ILLEGAL. What that guy in the 2nd video did stand up for his rights, weed out a couple of bad cops that clearly make up their own laws and will hopefully hold them accountable for the assault/false arrest via civil suit. Yes at the end of the day nothing will happen to them thanks to the bullshit ruling of Qualified Immunity. Oh and I enjoy how they lied about being given his description. It's awesome how cops can legally lie to us but if I lie to a cop it's illegal. Cops wonder why cops get a bad rap and people don't want to cooperate with them? Well that 2nd video shows it clearly. Sometimes, you gotta roll the hard six | |||
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