There are many dozens of vids on y.t. Of people taunting police.

My question's would be
How much time and effort and money are you willing to use to win or lose

B. What will you be winning and what might you lose?

C. Cops are people,
Are you going to choose to play a game with the most forgiving,understanding and lenient person on the force?

Or are you going to play with the cop who got spit on this a.m. by a pedophile, is going through a bitter divorce, that found out his 17 y.o. daughter is pregnant, and is working overtime to the past due taxes ?

Every minute of every day you get to make decisions on weather to be a dick or not.

For some it's very tough for others ,not so much.

It's a fishing exercise. Depending on your state or local laws you may be required to provide ID when asked. It's annoying but the only way to combat it is through your state or local government. Otherwise it's better not to annoy some guy who is just doing his job.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

Exactly. The interwebs say that One Weird Trick to avoid ever having to ID yourself is stating that per Admiralty Law you are a Free Traveler on a journey who has divested himself of his corporate shell personage and who does not wish to create joinder with that officer.

Seems like a solid legal argument to me.

That should at least be considered proof of sobriety. Or maybe not.

Be respectful. You never know what type you are likely to encounter. Don’t give them a reason to use force.

I don't have time to play games, the police want my ID I give it to them so I could be on my way.

I remember the last time a police officer asked me for my ID. It was because I was speeding, in my car. Same for the time before that. And the time before that, too.

How often do the police ask for ID randomly? I think they probably have better things to do.

I don't hit controversial areas nor stand on someone's property, next to it, etc, holding a fucking phone up videoing whatever. So I never get asked for ID unless I'm pulled over and I provide it with insurance.

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Originally posted by Warhorse:
A "sovereign" citizen has no need to present anyone with ID.

I like the videos of the SC when they refused to roll down the car window. Which ends with a broken window and them doing a face plant on the roadway.

See my answer to the left, below my user name.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Exactly. The interwebs say that One Weird Trick to avoid ever having to ID yourself is stating that per Admiralty Law you are a Free Traveler on a journey who has divested himself of his corporate shell personage and who does not wish to create joinder with that officer.

Seems like a solid legal argument to me.

I LOL'ed

Why the "obligation"? You don't have any 'obligation' to do anything BUT you do have a decision and are accountable for it!

Just identify yourself. It's not rocket science.

If you believe the request unlawful, then comply, and contest it later.

The officer is asking for identification. Not. your first born. Just how the fucking ID.

States with Stop and ID Statues

Stop and identify" statutes are laws in several U.S. states that authorize police[1] to lawfully order people whom they reasonably suspect of a crime to state their name. If there is not reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, is being committed, or is about to be committed, an individual is not required to provide identification, even in these states.[2]

The Fourth Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and requires warrants to be supported by probable cause. In Terry v. Ohio (1968), the U.S. Supreme Court established that it is constitutional for police to temporarily detain a person based on an articulable reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed, and then to conduct a patdown for weapons based on a reasonable belief that the person is armed. Then in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada (2004), the Supreme Court held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during a valid Terry stop did not violate the Fourth Amendment.[3]

However, some "stop and identify" statutes that are unclear about how people must identify themselves violate suspects' due process through the void for vagueness doctrine. For instance, in Kolender v. Lawson (1983), the Court invalidated a California law requiring "credible and reliable" identification as overly vague.[4] The court also held that the Fifth Amendment could allow a suspect to refuse to give his name if he has a reasonable belief that giving his name could be incriminating.[5]

The Nevada "stop-and-identify" law at issue in Hiibel allows police officers to detain any person they encounter under circumstances which reasonably indicate that "the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime"; the person may be detained only to "ascertain his identity and the suspicious circumstances surrounding his presence abroad." In turn, the law requires the officer to have reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement, and that the person detained "identify himself", but does not compel the person to answer any other questions put to him by the officer. The Nevada Supreme Court interpreted "identify" under the state's law to mean merely stating one's name.

As of April 2008, 23 other states have similar laws. Additional states (including Texas and Oregon) have such laws just for motorists.[6][7]

Some of you guys should probably rethink your position when it comes to providing identification. Guy is walking down the street, not doing anything illegal. No way does he have to provide ID and I’m actually taken aback by how many here would provide ID to police officers when they have done nothing wrong. Cops here got a call about a guy with a camera, he gave them ID. Cops make comments about “in these times” yada yada yada. Guess who’s name is going into a report about suspicious behavior and videotaping “in these times”. 10 foot tall fences, soldiers in our nation’s capitol and some of you are cool with cops stopping people for “papers please”. Its gross.

Just ask Ramius.

Nothing good ever comes of interacting with LE unless you were the one who called them. I just try to avoid them as often as I can.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
Just identify yourself. It's not rocket science.

If you believe the request unlawful, then comply, and contest it later.

The officer is asking for identification. Not. your first born. Just how the fucking ID.

So where do you draw the line then? You're ok with being harassed for simply walking down a public street, so what else do you simply comply with for no good reason? A search of your person? Your car? Your home? Yikes.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

So where do you draw the line then? You're ok with being harassed for simply walking down a public street, so what else do you simply comply with for no good reason? A search of your person? Your car? Your home? Yikes.

Prima Nocta?

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Originally posted by JimmyRayBob:

How often do the police ask for ID randomly? I think they probably have better things to do.

Early 1990s, before the day of common cell phones.

I returned from a flight in the wee hours of the morning. Put the airplane to bed, got into my car, and the car refused to start.

Twelve miles from Our Little Airport to my house, started walking. Of course I was thirty years younger then, with a lot more energy.

A little more pissed off with each mile. A little more than half way home, I was walking on the shoulder, southbound side, of a divided highway. Cop car on the northbound side slows down, stops, cop shines a light on me and yells for me to come to him.

"Up yours," was my thought. "You have a car. If you want to speak to me, you can drive your lazy ass over here." I kept trudging along. Cop does a U-turn, pulls to the side in front of me, gets out shines bright flashlight in my face.

Me: "You mind getting that light out of my eyes?"

Cop: "Where you going?"

Me: "Home."

Cop: "Where you coming from?"

Me: "Airport."

Cop: Got any ID?"

I show cop my pilot certificate.

Cop: "Why are you walking?"

Me: "Car wouldn't start."

Cop: "Why didn't you take a taxi?"

Me: "Have you ever been to the Apopka airport? Have you ever seen a taxi there?" (This was an Apopka cop)

Cop: "You could call one."

Me: "Have you ever been to the Apopka airport? Have you ever seen a telephone outside of the office, which is locked up right now?"

Cop just stares at me. I say, "Far as I know, there is absolutely no law against me walking home. If you don't have probable cause for stopping me, or even reasonable suspicion that I have done something wrong, I'm going to be on my way now."

I walk off, wondering if I'm gonna get grabbed, handcuffed, and stuck in the back of the cop car. He drove off, throwing gravel from his tires.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:


So where do you draw the line then? You're ok with being harassed for simply walking down a public street, so what else do you simply comply with for no good reason? A search of your person? Your car? Your home? Yikes.

Yikes, nothing. I said none of those things. YOU did.

Being asked for my identification by a police officer is NOT harassment. Showing a police officer my driver license is not an admission of anything. An officer asking me for identification is not a home invasion. That's an fucking idiotic comparison. Asking for my identification is not a search of my person or vehicle. It's not a search. It's a simple request. It's not complicated. It's not invasive. It's not hard.

My name is not classified data to be withheld from a police officer. I don't know why he's asking for my identification, and I don't care. If he wants to see my identification, I have no problem showing it to him. Asking to see it is not seizure. It is not a search. It is a request. I am not going to ask him to provide probable cause. I'll simply identify myself.

The paranoia runs deep.