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Unflappable Enginerd
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Originally posted by bronicabill:
If the Dims pull this off, there SHOULD be total hell to pay!!!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Frankly, the outcome of this trial was determined during Jury selection.

Most likely very true!
I'm actually curious to hear how the jury instruction shakes out.

Seems to me Merchan will have to include the laws that were broken in the instructions and I'm not convinced that will end up being all that clear. Likely his last chance to manipulate the trial, guess we'll see.


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Alan Dershowitz Op-Ed today:

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I was inside the court when the judge closed the Trump trial, and what I saw shocked me

By Alan Dershowitz
Published May 21, 2024
NY Post

I have observed and participated in trials throughout the world. I have seen justice and injustice in China, Russia, Ukraine, England, France, Italy, Israel, as well as in nearly 40 of our 50 states.

But in my 60 years as a lawyer and law professor, I have never seen a spectacle such as the one I observed sitting in the front row of the courthouse yesterday.

The judge in Donald Trump’s trial was an absolute tyrant, though he appeared to the jury to be a benevolent despot. He seemed automatically to be ruling against the defendant at every turn.

Many experienced lawyers raised their eyebrows when the judge excluded obviously relevant evidence when offered by the defense, while including irrelevant evidence offered by the prosecution.

But when the defense’s only substantive witness, the experienced attorney Robert Costello, raised his eyebrows at one of New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan’s rulings, the court went berserk.

Losing his cool and showing his thin skin, the judge cleared the courtroom of everyone including the media.

For some reason, I was allowed to stay, and I observed one of the most remarkable wrong-headed biases I have ever seen. The judge actually threatened to strike all of Costello’s testimony if he raised his eyebrows again.

That of course would have been unconstitutional because it would have denied the defendant his Sixth Amendment right to confront witnesses and to raise a defense.

It would have punished the defendant for something a witness was accused of doing.

Even if what Costello did was wrong, and it was not, it would be utterly improper and unlawful to strike his testimony — testimony that undercut and contradicted the government’s star witness.

Michael Cohen’s ex-attorney contradicts Trump ‘fixer’s testimony, gets ripped by judge in fiery scene at hush money trial
The judge’s threat was absolutely outrageous, unethical, unlawful and petty.

Moreover, his affect while issuing that unconstitutional threat revealed his utter contempt for the defense and anyone who testified for the defendant.

The public should have been able to see the judge in action, but because the case is not being televised, the public has to rely on the biased reporting of partisan journalists.

But the public was even denied the opportunity to hear from journalists who saw the judge in action because he cleared the courtroom.

I am one of the few witnesses to his improper conduct who remained behind to observe his deep failings.

Even when journalists do report on courtroom proceedings, their accounts must be taken with a grain of salt. When you watch CNN or MSNBC, you generally see an account of a trial that never took place.

They spin the events so much that reality is totally distorted.

I experienced that distortion firsthand yesterday, when I saw one of my former students and research assistants, a CNN legal analyst named Norman Eisen, during a break and went over to him and asked him about his family. We chatted for a few minutes in the most friendly way.

But NBC, the Daily Beast and other media decided to make up a story about the event. They claimed that I had a spat with my nemesis, rather than a friendly conversation with a former student. Their account was made up, yet it was circulated through the media.

To his credit, Eisen wrote to the media to correct the account, saying that the person sitting next to him would confirm the media’s false reporting. I doubt we will see a retraction.

This minor incident is simply the tip of a very large and deep iceberg of false reporting about the trial that can only occur because the proceedings are not being televised.

There are television cameras in the courtroom, and they record and transmit every word, but not to the public; only select reporters in the overflow room see what the cameras transmit.

There is absolutely no good reason why a trial of this importance, or any trial, should not be televised live and in real time. Allowing the public to see their courts in action is the best guarantee of fairness. As Justice Louis Brandeis wisely said a century ago, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”

When I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn, we used to listen to the colorful account of Dodger games rendered by Red Barber on the radio.

Occasionally when I went to a game and brought my portable radio, I could hear how the “old redhead,” as we called him, colorfully elaborated and exaggerated what was occurring on the field.

Once television came along and everyone could watch the games live, the accounts became far more accurate, because we could see everything for ourselves.

A similar phenomenon would operate if trials were televised; it would force commentators to tell the truth and nothing but the truth.

Today there is no check on partisan reporting of trials and exaggerations and personal opinions are rampant.

The American public is the loser.


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^^^^^
Thank you for that post, PASig.



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Incredible.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1792938444273963335



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Well that's cute. Was the FBI expecting to get into a gun battle (a FIRE FIGHT!) with the Secret Service? Just what type of resistance did they think they might encounter?


https://x.com/gatewaypundit/st.../1793003717542764831




https://x.com/julie_kelly2/status/1792969008657948733



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Biden's Praetorian Guard and NKVD stooping to new lows. Nothing shocks me any longer with this illegitimate regime occupying the WH. Mad


 
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Well that's cute. Was the FBI expecting to get into a gun battle (a FIRE FIGHT!) with the Secret Service? Just what type of resistance did they think they might encounter?


For reasons I can not delve into here, this does not surprise me at all.




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The jury instructions will be very interesting. Knowingly how this Judge has acted and ruled so far, this will be the first time a jury will be told via the instructions that the Defendant NOT testifying CAN and SHOULD be held against him, making his entire defense not credible. Roll Eyes

As far as the FBI getting in a gunfight with the Secret Service, the FBI would have to use massive overwhelming force, including an attack helicopter and explosives, to have a chance. Those Secret Service Agents can shoot (as long as they are not the DEI hires guarding Kackles Harris).
 
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I sincerely hope that someone is keeping a list of names.
 
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There's no there there:

 
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As far as the FBI getting in a gunfight with the Secret Service, the FBI would have to use massive overwhelming force, including an attack helicopter and explosives, to have a chance. Those Secret Service Agents can shoot...

I been fortunate enough to meet Donald Trump (twice at the same event), and have conversation(s) w/ him when he filed w/ the Secretary of State for the NH Primary last fall. He has multiple Secret Service Agents like this guy around him...I'm not sure where thy conceal their weapons, but they are SERIOUSLY 'Armed'! Wink



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judge goes for the stall tactic. they could easily
have had a verdict by noon on friday
 
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Alan Dershowitz was in the courtroom when the judge lost his shit. Dershowitz was not there in an official capacity. He was sitting in the front row when the judge cleared the courtroom and says that for whatever reason, he- Dershowitz- and three or four other people sitting next to him were not asked to leave when the court was cleared. He doesn't think the judge recognized him, but Dershowitz instead thinks he may have just been overlooked. Who knows with this whacko judge.

Anyway, this video is a half hour long, but I've got it queued up to the part where Dershowitz is relating this remarkable story about how egregious is this judge's behavior. If not a hung jury or an outright acquittal, this case should be quickly overturned on appeal, but, it's New York, so...

Have a listen.



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I'm not getting too worked up over the deadly force authorization for the search warrant execution.

My SO participates in search and arrest warrants and deadly force is always on the table, if necessary. As SOP, the search and arrest teams are always armed.

I would be very dubious of claims that the FBI op plan had language that said, "It's President Trump's house. In this case, we authorize deadly force."

The FBI didn't go out of their way and authorize force that isn't routinely authorized on all other warrants.
 
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I'm not getting too worked up over the deadly force authorization for the search warrant execution.

My SO participates in search and arrest warrants and deadly force is always on the table, if necessary. As SOP, the search and arrest teams are always armed.

I would be very dubious of claims that the FBI op plan had language that said, "It's President Trump's house. In this case, we authorize deadly force."

The FBI didn't go out of their way and authorize force that isn't routinely authorized on all other warrants.


This wasn’t a routine warrant, this was an ex-President; a warrant that has never been done in the history of our country. Deadly force shouldn’t have been on the table at all.

You’re trying to justify and rationalize the most egregious abuse of LE in my lifetime. There is zero reason the agents should have been armed, I don’t care what your SO does with the local crackheads. This was an unprecedented situation and clearly political. Was deadly force authorized for the early morning armed FBI raid on Biden’s garage or Hilary’s illegal email server? Oh wait, they never raided those compounds. If you see any possible justification in these actions you are blind to the corruption and hypocrisy.
 
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Yes it was boiler plate, standard to all of these types of warrants. Except this was on a former President. Even if they knew Trump wasn't going to be there, the raid itself was extraordinary. To treat it just like any other is ridiculous IMO.



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This is absolutely a big deal. Don’t buy the bullshit otherwise.

It was not a standard op. The MAL raid was an unprecedented action with significant potential for confusion and blue on blue issues and conflict. It also involved competing equities between federal agencies (FBI & USSS) with equal statutory claims to interrupt the other’s activities.

Anyone telling you otherwise is either dumb, or playing dumb. I’ve done more deconfliction with Russians in a foreign op I did for the USSS than the FBI did in their search warrant at MAL.

Only a dumbass would pitch the “it’s the standard paperwork” line. Go serve a search warrant at the White House in the cocaine case while filling out your “standard paperwork” and see how that works out for you. Wake up.


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Agreed. I've participated in a small number of warrant executions. I wouldn't participate in a warrant service if I was told under no circumstance are you allowed to defend yourself.

ETA: But I also agree it should have never gotten to this point.
 
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This wasn’t a routine warrant


This was a documents case.

Not a drug case, assault, probation violation, etc.

It was not in Compton, International Blvd in Oakland, etc. It was at Mar-A-Lago.

And it wasn't a cartel member, a known violent felon, a gang member.

It was the f*cking former President of the United States.

Anybody who thinks this was routine is a fucking moron.



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This wasn’t a routine warrant


This was a documents case.

Not a drug case, assault, probation violation, etc.

It was not in Compton, International Blvd in Oakland, etc. It was at Mar-A-Lago.

And it wasn't a cartel member, a known violent felon, a gang member.

It was the f*cking former President of the United States.

Anybody who thinks this was routine is a fucking moron.


Resorting to name calling only emphasizes that you know little about warrant execution. There are no Ops Plans for warrant execution that say, "We don't anticipate trouble so let's leave the guns behind on this one."

There is always a threat assessment in executing the warrant and that's why deadly force is authorized in the ops plan. It's not inserted, depending on the person or location.

While the entire documents case is BS and was undoubtedly done with WH coordination, the fact that the agents were armed means nothing in the context of the warrant. Agents are always armed whether it's in the office, driving their BuCar or in the field. In the field they do interviews - armed. They do knock and talks - armed. Warrant executions - armed.
 
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Maybe I've gotten really liberal since leaving Police work and becoming a lawyer, but I'm sure the SAC or ASAC of the FBI with the warrant, could've called the SAC or ASAC of USSS detail to former President Trump and said we have a warrant will be by at 9am? Must be me.
 
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